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CONLANG  August 2010, Week 4

CONLANG August 2010, Week 4

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Re: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)

From:

Shair A <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 23 Aug 2010 06:08:02 -0500

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Bɨɨše:

1. ¡Vaṭṭivbi oše!
2. "kavẽtoše"
3. ¡Ããwja!

2010/8/23 Tony Harris <[log in to unmask]>

> Thanks!  That's quite neat to know.  And I agree, "Fiat lux" then sounds
> like "Let light become" or "Let light come into existence".  On the other
> hand, since "Fiat voluntas tua" seems to imply more "Let thy will be done"
> than "Let thy will come into existence" as the will is presumably already in
> existence and we're just praying that it be manifested and accomplished,
> there is clearly some kind of overlap.  Likewise the Greek somehow seems
> like it must carry that idea.
>
> As for the Esperanto, my point in offering both was that if we mean "Let
> language come to exist", and to pattern after the Genesis 1:3 verse, then
> yes, "Estu lingvo!" is the most accurate.  If we mean "Let language be made
> (since we are language-makers)", then "Fariĝu lingvo!" better reflects the
> sentiment.  Personally I have no real preference, so whichever is certainly
> fine by me.
>
>
>
> On 08/23/2010 03:28 AM, R A Brown wrote:
>
>> Tony Harris wrote:
>>
>>> The Latin is a take-off of the Biblical phrase "Fiat
>>> lux!" in Genesis 1:3, which is literally "Be-made light!"
>>> and is the passive present subjunctive of "Facere" (to
>>> make) I think.
>>>
>>
>> "fiat" _may_ serve as the passive present subjunctive of "facere"; but the
>> verb "fieri", of which "fiat" is the present subjunctive, also means "to
>> become", "to come into being."
>>
>>  It is taken to mean "Let there be light!"
>>> and is from the Hebrew "Y'hīy ōr!" which is perhaps more
>>> literally "Be light!" as in "Let light be being in
>>> existance" more or less.
>>>
>>
>> ...which is what I've always understood the Latin "Fiat lux" to mean -
>> "Let light come into existence!"
>>
>>  In the Esperanto Bible, that's
>>> actually translated as "Estu lumo!" so perhaps actually
>>> "Estu lingvo!" might even be the best translation, even
>>> if in our conlanging case "Fariĝu lingvo!" might be more
>>> accurate.
>>>
>>
>> Wouldn't "Estu lingvo!" be more accurate?
>> ----------------------------------
>>
>> Another well-known "fiat" comes in the Lord's Prayer:
>> Fiat voluntas tua - Thy will be done (Matt. 6:10)
>>
>> Both there and in the "Let there be light" verse from Genesis, the Greek
>> Bible has γενηθήτω which is the 3rd singular aorist [i.e. perfective]
>> imperative of γίγνεσθαι "to become", "to come into being/existence." So the
>> TAKE (το άνευ κλίσι Ελληνικό) version  will have ίθι γένε.
>>
>> OK - here are phrases in TAKE.
>>
>> Fiat lingua
>> ίθι γένε γλώσσο
>>
>> conlang
>> τεχνητό γλώσσο
>>
>> -friendly greeting_
>> χαίρε
>> (Literally "rejoice", just as in ancient & Koine Greek).
>>
>>

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