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CONLANG August 2010, Week 4

Subject:

Re: "Fiat lingua" in your conlang(s)

From:

Leland Kusmer <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:02:57 -0700

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In *saa nglok*: (No native script, as of yet. All "ng" can be replaced with
eng.)

1.
*bokek nglapnue!*
bok-e-k nglap+nue
build-VBZ-CONS speak+word
"Make languages!"

2.
*mi nglapnue.*
*new speak+word*
*"conlang"*
*
*
*3.*
*xom la donge (e)?*
*what that think-VBZ (you)*
*"What do you think?"*
(The final pronoun is generally elided.)
*
*
*Singbek! *(Go well!)
*-Leland
*
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Eugene Oh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Here is the link to the photo of Classical Arithide, written in the Lazeic
> alphabet, in "Right Script" and in cursive.
>
> http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/denihilonihil/photo2.jpg
>
> Romanisation was devised to be one-to-one (what was that term describing
> where the transliteration can be converted back into the native script
> without interpretation?), so quite easily you can tell which letters are
> what and what the symbols do.
>
> Eugene
>
> 2010/8/23 Eugene Oh <[log in to unmask]>
>
> > I had a different interpretation of it, along the lines of someone else
> > before me, that fiat was here referring to the act of creation and so
> meant
> > "let light be made" and "let thy will be done", literally, since many
> > languages, Latin included, don't distinguish between make and do.
> >
> > In Classical Arithide, therefore:
> >
> > 1. Leidōn dyllēs!
> > Born-SUBJ language-PL-NOM
> > Let languages be born!
> >
> > 2. Taksodyllēs / dyllēs kontaksēnēs
> > Built-language-PL / language-PL construct-PERF-ADJ-PL
> > Conlangs
> >
> > 3. Aōn / al-valonō
> > (generic greeting) / peace-HON
> > Salutations
> >
> > I do have a native script for it, but no font, so later tonight I will
> > write, scan and post a link to it.
> >
> > Eugene
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On 23 Aug 2010, at 15:33, R A Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Tony Harris wrote:
> > >> Thanks!  That's quite neat to know.  And I agree, "Fiat lux" then
> sounds
> > like "Let light become" or "Let light come into existence".  On the other
> > hand, since "Fiat voluntas tua" seems to imply more "Let thy will be
> done"
> > than "Let thy will come into existence" as the will is presumably already
> in
> > existence and we're just praying that it be manifested and accomplished,
> > there is clearly some kind of overlap.
> > >
> > > One could also argue that God's will must be being done - but this will
> > get into theological debates which are way off topic here.
> > >
> > >> Likewise the Greek somehow seems like it must carry that idea.
> > >
> > > But in Greek the verbs 'to make' or 'to do' all have regular passives.
> > γίγνεσθαι primarily means "to come into existence"; it can also mean "be
> > produced", "come to pass", "happen". But basically it implies a change of
> > state.
> > >
> > >> As for the Esperanto, my point in offering both was that if we mean
> "Let
> > language come to exist", and to pattern after the Genesis 1:3 verse, then
> > yes, "Estu lingvo!" is the most accurate.  If we mean "Let language be
> made
> > (since we are language-makers)", then "Fariĝu lingvo!" better reflects
> the
> > sentiment.  Personally I have no real preference, so whichever is
> certainly
> > fine by me.
> > >
> > > Nor have I - I was just thinking that as "fiat lingua" was coined on
> the
> > pattern of "fiat lux," then "Estu lingvo!" would be the corresponding
> > Esperanto.  But, as you rightly observe, "Fariĝu lingvo!" might be more
> > appropriate in a conlang context.
> > >
> > > This, it seems to me, is one the problems in translating a motto set in
> a
> > particular cultural milieu.
> > > --------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Charlie wrote:
> > > [snip]
> > >> It is my understanding that 'lingua' can mean both
> > >> language in the abstract and a specific spoken form.  If
> > >> this is so, it seems to me that, as phrased 'fiat
> > >> lingua', the wish is impossible since language does, in
> > >> fact, exist.  We're not looking for the creation of
> > >> language, but the creation of many different languages,
> > >> just as, in the Genesis story, God was not bringing into
> > >> existence many different lights (fiant luces), but light
> > >> (fiat lux).  Thus, we should be translating 'fiant
> > >> linguae."
> > >
> > > Didn't we discuss all this when the motto "fiat lingua" was adopted?  I
> > seem to recall similar things being said then.
> > >
> > > But Latin, having no definite or indefinite article, is sufficiently
> > vague IMO. True, "let there be language" is a nonsense as there's been
> > language for millennia. But the Latin can also mean: "let a language come
> > into existence." That's what conlangers are doing, are they?
> > >
> > > As for the singular/plural business, I don't think it's a great issue.
> In
> > Latin where there's one each for several people, Latin will use the
> singular
> > where we in English tend to use a plural. The Latin IMO could me "Let
> [each
> > person] bring a language into existence" or even "Let [each person] bring
> > [at least one] language into existence."
> > >
> > > Fortunately the TAKE ίθι γένε γλώσσο is sufficiently vague to allow
> these
> > meanings also    :)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ray
> > > ==================================
> > > http://www.carolandray.plus.com
> > > ==================================
> > > "Ein Kopf, der auf seine eigene Kosten denkt,
> > > wird immer Eingriffe in die Sprache thun."
> > > [J.G. Hamann, 1760]
> > > "A mind that thinks at its own expense
> > > will always interfere with language".
> >
>

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