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CONLANG  August 2010, Week 4

CONLANG August 2010, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Origin of Laterals

From:

Matthew Boutilier <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:41:12 -0400

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>
> Here's a possible sequence of sound changes to get you from b to l
>  +con +son -lab +lat
> b  > v  > w  > r\ > l
>

this doesn't have to do with laterals, but i've been wondering whether it
would be fair for me to bring /b/ in my proto-lang to /M\/ (that is, an
unlabialized velar approximant) via a process similar to the above:
b > v > v\ > M\ ... where of course /v\/ is the labiodental approximant.  is
this realistic?  or would v > w > M\ be better with simple unrounding?  i'm
having trouble coming up with extant cases of either of these.

thoughts?

thanks.
matt


On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:35 PM, David McCann <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 14:49 +0100, R A Brown wrote:
>
> > Although the change /s/ > /z/ > /r/ is more usual, we could
> > go the other way round, i.e. /r/ > /z/ > /s/. The devoicing
> > might, however, occur only in final position (a common
> > enough feature in German and Russian), and the change /r/ >
> > /z/ is certainly attested in French where the old _chaire_
> > (hence English _chair_) has become _chaise_.
>
> For /z/ > /s/ we have the example of Spanish, where all sibilants
> devoiced in the late Middle Ages: /z/ > /s/ and /ž/ > /š/ > /x/.
>

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