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Re: YAEPT: Gloucester and Worcester

From:

Eric Christopherson <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 3 Sep 2010 21:47:22 -0500

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On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Peter Collier wrote:

> I'd go so far  as to say that over here (i.e. England) the elided pronounciation 
> is the norm, not the exception.  Off the top of my head:
> 
> Worcester    /wUst@/    
> Gloucester    /glOst@/    (note the different vowel to Bostonian)
> Towcester    /t@Ust@/
> Bicester    /bIst@/
> Alcester    /O:lst@/
> Leicester    /lEst@/
> 
> And the attrition isn't just limited to the old Roman towns ending in -cester. 
> We deliberately twist the pronounciation of many more, so we can snicker at our 
> Leftpondian friends when they get them wrong. e.g.:
> 
> Launceston    /l{ns@n/    this Cornish town often trips up non-locals too, 
> /lO:nst@n/ and /lO:ns@n/ are common mispronounciations
> Mousehole    /maUzl/
> Loughborough    /lVfbr@/
> Cheltenham    /tS)Eltn@m/
> Cleobury    /kli:bri:/    (with <eo> = /i:/)    
> Leominster    /lEmst@/    (with <eo> = /E/)
> Westminister    /wEsminst@/ 
> Middlesborough    /mIdlzbr@/
> Rotherham    /r\ODr\@m/
> Berwick    /bEr\Ik/
> Norwich    /nOr\ItS)/
> Glastonbury /gl{st@nbri:/
> ...shire    .../S@/    -    e.g. Worcestershire    /wUst@S@/ 

Where/when would one say /SI@/ instead of /S@/? Does that depend on the accent of the person saying it, or is it built into the pronunciation of the place?

> 
> The prnounciations, with some exceptions, are pretty regular and predictable 
> however once you get to grips with the quirks.
> 
> -cester > 'ster    (but -chester remains as you would imagine)

I wonder where the triplet _-caster_ : _-cester_ : _-chester_ comes from. The regular result, IIANM, would be _chester_ (cf. _cheese_ < c‚seus); I wonder if _cester_ was ever pronounced /sester/ (vel sim.), or if it always had /tS/ until that sound coalesced with the following /s/. (Are there any _-cester_ place names still in existence where it's pronounced /s@st@/ or /sEst@/?)

Also, _-chester_ is pronounced /tS)Est@/, not /tS)@st@/, right? I believe it has a full vowel in US usage. My personal style is to use a full /{/ in _Lancaster_, but I think the place in Pennsylvania is pronounced locally as /"l{nK@[log in to unmask]

> -bury > b'ry
> -borough (and Scottish -burg) > -br@
> -ham > @m
> Unstressed internal vowels usually weakened to /@/ or elided completely next to 
> a sonorant.
> 
> 
> Pete.

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