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CONLANG  September 2010, Week 1

CONLANG September 2010, Week 1

Subject:

Re: YAEPT: Gloucester and Worcester

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Tony Harris <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 2 Sep 2010 21:12:25 -0400

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  Sorry, I meant we say it is SPELLED War-sester!  We really do 
pronounce it Wustir, just like you said, but retaining the R.

I've gotta learn to proofread...

On 09/02/2010 09:08 PM, Tony Harris wrote:
>  We actually usually say Worcester is pronounced War-sester, but then 
> again I grew up in Western Massachusetts, not Eastern, and we still 
> have R's there.  Sometimes more than are even in print, as I have 
> always pronounced idea as eye-DEER, but I digress.
>
> You probably haven't noticed Billerica yet, which is pronounced 
> "bill-RICK-ah".  And if you actually meet anyone who really is 
> originally FROM Western Mass, you'll find that the "h" in Amherst is 
> silent, in spite of the vast number of people from outside of the 
> Pioneer Valley area who insist on pronouncing it "AM-hurst".  
> Leominster isn't too far off how it's spelt, except that the "o" is 
> silent and the "e" is short, thus LEH-min-stah (or LEH-min-stir for 
> those of us on the Western end...).
>
> We have a few in Vermont as well, like Vershire which is "VUR-shur", 
> and Corinth which is "krinth".  And Calais which in spite of its 
> French spelling is pronounced like callous.  And Barre which makes 
> more sense if you realize the original name is Barré, so it ends up 
> being pronounced like Barry.  And St. Albans, which ends up nicely 
> slurred into Snalbins.  And Montpelier which ends up as munt-PEEL-yer 
> or munt-PEEL-yah depending on which Vermont accent you hear it with 
> (Vermont also has R-keepers and R-droppers).
>
> As to etymology, according to http://www.etymonline.com:
>
> Worcester: Wireceastre (1086), O.E. Wigranceastre (717), Weogorna 
> civitas (691), from Weogora, a tribal name.
>
> Gloucester: English county, O.E. Gleawceaster, from L. Coloniae Glev 
> (2c.), from Glevo, a Celtic name meaning "bright place" (perhaps 
> influenced by O.E. gleaw "wise, prudent") + O.E. ceaster "Roman town."
>
>
> On 09/02/2010 08:34 PM, Daniel Bowman wrote:
>> Greetings all,
>>
>> I recently moved from the sunny climes of New Mexico to the 
>> hurricane-prone
>> climes of Massachusetts.  One of the first things I noticed is the
>> distinctive accent around Boston, and soon after that, I noticed that
>> certain place names were...not pronounced as I expected.  Specifically,
>> Worcester is pronounced "Wusta" and Gloucester is pronounced 
>> "Glausta."  I
>> almost wrote to the CONLANG list asking if this pronunciation was 
>> inherited
>> from England, but Wikipedia'd (Wikipediad?) it instead; discovering 
>> that in
>> fact it was.  In England as in Massachusetts, the "c" in Gloucester 
>> and the
>> "rc" in Worcester have mysteriously disappeared.
>>
>> I was wondering, what is the etymology of these place names?  And why 
>> is it
>> they've come to be pronounced so differently than they are spelled?  
>> Granted
>> that's the case with many English words, but English is my L1 and I've
>> *never* come across a word that drops these letters in such a manner.
>>
>> Also, are there any other words or place names in the English 
>> language that
>> follow a similar pattern?
>>
>> Aside:
>>
>> During my first week at work, I had begun to suspect that Wusta was 
>> in fact
>> spelled Worcester, but I wasn't positive.  Riding with a coworker out to
>> Dorchester (which is pronounced EXACTLY as it's spelled!  Unless 
>> you're from
>> Boston, in which case, lose the 'r'), I found an opportunity to 
>> verify this.
>>   He mentioned having a field site out in Wuster, and I said, "Is Wuster
>> spelled like-"
>> Before I could finish, he answered: "Yeah, Wahkestah"
>>
>> As for me, I'm going to go pahk my cah in havd yahd.  Whateva.
>>
>> Danny
>>
>> PS.  This is also my first hurricane.

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