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Re: Possibly the simplest possible self-segregating morphology

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:28:28 +0100

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On 12/09/2010 22:23, Logan Kearsley wrote:
[snip]
>>
>> Indeed we would be. If the language is for human
>> communication then IMO it's humans we should be
>> concerned with. If we achieve a system whereby
>> self-segregation is evident to humans than any computer
>> programmer worth his/her salt should be able to write a
>> program so the machine can do the same.
>
> Er... I wouldn't be quite that bold. Human brains are
> *really* good at pattern matching (hence we can get along
> without self-segregating natural languages). There's lots
> of stuff that's blatantly obvious to people but
> incredibly difficult to program computers to recognize.

Oh yes, I'm well aware of that. I did do some work in AI at 
one time in my past life.

> I don't know what it would be like, but I can definitely
> imagine a self-segregation scheme that would be highly
> compatible with human brains, but for that very reason
> extremely difficult to formalize for a computer.

Yep - I probably overstated the case.  I guess what I meant 
is that all the examples of self-segregating morphemes I've 
come across so far will not be exactly difficult to program 
- at least as far as written language is concerned. Even 
those languages that restrict themselves CV syllables are 
making things easier for computer voice recognition.

But maybe a "self-segregation scheme that would be highly 
compatible with human brains, but for that very reason 
extremely difficult to formalize for a computer" will come 
along - but I haven't met such a beast yet     ;)
----------------------------------------

On 12/09/2010 23:53, Jim Henry wrote:
[snip]
 >
 > And the reverse is probably true as well.

IMO the reverse is definitely true. IMO the Huffman coding 
scheme of 'Plan B' is not human-friendly - but it's simple 
to program.

I'm sure I could come up with other 'computer-friendly' 
schemes that would not be exactly easy for human 
communication, especially spoken communication. Such 
computer-centric languages do not interest me.

-- 
Ray
==================================
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==================================
"Ein Kopf, der auf seine eigene Kosten denkt,
wird immer Eingriffe in die Sprache thun."
[J.G. Hamann, 1760]
"A mind that thinks at its own expense
will always interfere with language".

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