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CONLANG  September 2010, Week 4

CONLANG September 2010, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Teresa Edgerton conlangs

From:

Patrick Dunn <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:07:53 -0500

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Wow, you guys are *mean.*

But I just say that cause I think of my conlang as "Celtic flavored."

:)

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Jörg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hallo!
>
> On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:49:48 +0100, R A Brown wrote:
>
>>  On 22/09/2010 16:25, And Rosta wrote:
>>  >  Am I, I wonder, the only one who feels a (literal)
>>  >  twinge of nausea at seeing this conlang sample? It would
>>  >  be most unfair to take my reaction to be any kind of
>>  >  just judgement of the conlang, but I find it interesting
>>  >  that a conlang can excite such a visceral response.
>>
>>  You are not alone - tho I wouldn't describe my reaction as
>>  nausea. But it is certainly an absolute turn-off.
>
> Yes.  Not really nauseating, but it gives away its nature as a
> poor Tolkien rip-off.
>
>>  >  I suspect one ingredient of the revulsion is simply the
>>  >  dreary familiarity of its soundscape, and another
>>  >  ingredient is revulsion at anything that appears to
>>  >  travesty the ((IMO) rightly) sacred Tolkien.
>>
>>  Quite so - IMO it's a poor imitation of Tolkien.  Why do
>>  people do it? JRRT was a master craftsman who spent years
>>  perfecting his craft; then these, to me and And at least,
>>  travesties come along     :(
>
> I would not sanctify Tolkien (that is a concept I cannot win off
> much, personally), but I respect him deeply as the greatest
> master of our art - however, *respecting* a past master is one
> thing, *imitating* him is another matter entirely.
>
> I once worked on a language based on Sindarin, it was named
> "Nur-ellen".  That one, however, was imitative in a different
> way - it was meant to represent a *descendant* of Sindarin.
> But in hindsight, I must say that what I did back then, was a
> horrible disservice to the beauty of Sindarin, and it was more
> than wise to scrap it.
>
> In my current main project, Old Albic, I no longer try to
> imitate Tolkien, even if he and his conlangs still are a major
> source of inspiration for me.  Yet, I think I have found *my own*
> style in Old Albic, and there is much in it that has nothing
> to do with Quenya or Sindarin.
>
>>  [...]
>>
>>  'Celtic-like' and 'spells' also, I'm afraid, also turn me
>>  off. I agree 100% with JRRT when he wrote:
>>  "'Celtic' of any sort is, nonetheless, a magic bag, into
>>  which anything may be put, and out of which almost anything
>>  may come. ... Anything is possible in the fabulous Celtic
>>  twilight, which is not so much a twilight of the gods as of
>>  the reason."
>>
>>  Amen! Amen!
>
> Oh yes, there are lots of bogus ideas about the Celts in
> circulation.  Surely, there are fascinating things about the
> Celts; the Insular Celtic languages are among the IMHO most
> interesting European languages, mostly by way of doing so many
> things differently than most of the major languages of Europe.
> But all that stuff about the Celts possessing a "higher wisdom"
> or whatever is utter crap.
>
>>  >>  Nésadach anadi duidon! Nésadach anadi galadon!
>>  >>  Nésadach ôni anadi ellidon ei odeidon, ei deinach ôni
>>  >>  uilé riholem éireamhóinen!
>>
>>  Ach y fi!
>
> It resembles a mishmash of Irish and Sindarin, but the sugar
> coating is so thick that one cannot make out the cake beneath it!
> It would not surprise me if that sample turned out to be
> meaningless gibberish rather than an actual conlang with a
> well-defined grammar and lexicon.
>
> --
> ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf
> http://www.joerg-rhiemeier.de/Conlang/index.html
>



-- 
I have stretched ropes from steeple to steeple; garlands from window
to window; golden chains from star to star, and I dance.  --Arthur
Rimbaud

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