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CONLANG  September 2010, Week 4

CONLANG September 2010, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Celticity?

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 23 Sep 2010 13:44:12 +0100

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On 23/09/2010 11:33, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets wrote:
> On 23 September 2010 11:51, Lars
> Finsen<[log in to unmask]>  wrote:
[snip]
>> It's Breton ......
>>
>>
> Funny how Breton looks so "unceltic" in its orthography
> :) . It looks neither like Welsh (no vocalic w and y, no
> ll) nor like Scottish or Irish Gaelic (hardly any vocalic
> digraphs or trigraphs, no accent).

That was the point. I could've picked a piece of Manx, I 
guess, or Cornish in one its more "unceltic" spellings 
(there are AFAIK 4 different main varieties of revived 
Cornish). There ain't a "Celtic orthography!"

[snip]
>
>> Do you think that artifacts made by people who speak a
>> language defined as Celtic should not be called
>> Celtic?
>>
> There lies the problem. By calling artifacts made by
> Gauls or by Irish Gaelic speakers uniformly "Celtic", one
> creates the impression of a single common culture among
> those people, which AFAIK didn't exist. There isn't a
> single "Celtic" identity, no commonality between the
> various "Celtic" folks besides related languages. the
> various Celtic-speaking populations have always been very
> isolated from each other (some say that even during the
> original time Indo-Europeans arrived in Western Europe
> and the British Isles, Q-Celtic speakers and P-Celtic
> speakers were already separate waves of migration with no
> contact with each other). "Celtic", in the popular
> meaning of the word, is a very modern construction that
> stems from a heavily romanticised view of the time when
> the British Isles were not dominated yet by
> Anglo-Saxons.
>
> As a linguistic term, "Celtic" is a handy label for an
> Indo-European language subfamily that we know exists
> (although the details might still be a bit hazy). As an
> anthropological term it has no value whatsoever, and is
> even harmful in creating an illusion of similarity and
> continuity that just does not exist.

Amen! Amen!

Christophe has expressed my sentiments exactly and far 
better than I could.

Christophe's last paragraph is so very, very, very true!

-- 
Ray
==================================
http://www.carolandray.plus.com
==================================
"Ein Kopf, der auf seine eigene Kosten denkt,
wird immer Eingriffe in die Sprache thun."
[J.G. Hamann, 1760]
"A mind that thinks at its own expense
will always interfere with language".

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