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CONLANG  September 2010, Week 4

CONLANG September 2010, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Sino-Romance in the LLL?

From:

R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:55:29 +0100

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On 22/09/2010 10:10, Peter Bleackley wrote:
> staving R A Brown:
>
>> One of the main problems, as I see it, is that Roman
>> soldiers captured by Parthians and ending up as
>> mercenaries in western China will all be _men_. If
>> they want to produce progeny they will have take wives
>> or lovers from native population; in such situations
>> surely the mother's language is most likely to be the
>> L1 of the children. If Latin is to take root firmly it
>> seems to me that the Parthians would need to include a
>> goodly number of female camp followers (i.e.
>> prostitutes & mistresses - legionaries were not allow
>> to marry) together with the soldiers and for the whole
>> lot - men and woman - to end up together in that
>> garrison in western China.
>>
> Well, they weren't officially allowed to marry, but the
> Roman definition of marriage was quite flexible, and
> quite a lot had "contunerbales" (if I remember the word
> correctly). Literally it means "tent-mates", but it
> essentially means "unofficial wives".

True - that's what I meant by 'mistresses'. Also there were
inevitable prostitutes that set up by Roman garrison (I
believe the custom still continues with modern armies).

> Anyway, once captured by the Parthians and working as
> mercenaries in China, they probably wouldn't have been
> too bothered about that particular element of army
> regulations any more.

Indeed not - I assumed these woman would've been treated as
regular wives.

> We could postulate that their Chinese wives learned Latin
> out deference to their husbands

Even more unlikely, I think.  The Chinese are somewhat proud
of their history & their ancient language.  I really think
for Latin to have survived most of the mothers would have
had to have been regular Latin speakers.

> - alternatively, they could speak a Sino-Latin pidgin to
> each other, and the children could grow up speaking a
> creole,

That had occurred to me, but ....

> but I think that's a little way from what Jörg had in
> mind.

Not Jörg!  He'd rather not have Latin speakers in China at
all, methinks.  It's _Anthony Miles_ who wants them there -
and, yes, a creole is not what he has in mind (unless I've
misunderstood him).

-- 
Ray
==================================
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"Ein Kopf, der auf seine eigene Kosten denkt,
wird immer Eingriffe in die Sprache thun."
[J.G. Hamann, 1760]
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will always interfere with language".

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