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CONLANG  September 2010, Week 4

CONLANG September 2010, Week 4

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Re: Celtic & other myths (was: Celticity?)

From:

BPJ <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:40:32 +0200

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2010-09-24 18:55, Jörg Rhiemeier skrev:
> Britain and England get confused a lot these days, with Scots
> being called "Englishmen" and King Arthur referred to as a
> "king of England".  Ach y fi!

Already Thomas Mallory referred to Arthur's kingdom as
"England".  A similar thing which used to irritate the
hell out of me was ancient Asia Minor referred to as
"Turkey", but I think these things are inevitable as
long as elementary history and geography education
doesn't make a point of teaching that geographical
names and the names of polities don't always coincide.
There are also often, as is probable in the case of
Mallory, a contemporary political motivation for
blurring or ignoring the distinctions. Götaland used to
be Latinized as "Gothia" and in the 17th century
Swedish historians claimed the ancient Goths as
"Swedes", notwithstanding the fact that the Old
Icelandic tales never mix up "gotar" and "gautar", or
the fact that even if these names probably are related
people in the 13th century would have found the
distinction between Götaland and Svealand to be as
important as the distinction between England, Scotland
and Wales is to people in Britain today, and would have
found the identification of Swedes and Goths dubious on
that account! While I'd guess that if future
inhabitants of Britain won't have any sense of
tripartiteness the term to survive will certainly be
"Britain" it is a fact that "Sweden" was historically a
misnomer when it came to most parts of what is called
so today.

Geographical, ethnic and linguistic nomenclature are as
liable to change their significance as any other words,
and as with all words their significance at any time is
determined by contemporary political and cultural
conditions, for better or worse. Surely it would be for
the better if more people were aware that the
geographical, political, ethnic and linguistic
divisions and identities of today are merely accidents
of history, and that the divisions of antiquity or even
a few hundred years ago and their significance were
very different, but it is of little practical
importance what we call a place or a language, unless
perhaps it creates an urge to suppose some "identity".
(I almost wrote "as long as we don't call different things
by the same name", but as we all know even difference
and sameness are largely constructs when it comes to
cultural phenemena: in fact Modern French and Modern
English are probably more mutually intelligible, at
least in written form, than Modern and Old English!)
I might as well call the place where I'm writing this
Mællvand and the language in which I write Lanskaw, as
long as those participating in the communication agree
what these names mean.  For all that we know this might
once have been the names of this place, and of the
language then used for international communication, or
they may by some freak of history once come to be in
the future.

/bpj

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