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AUXLANG  October 2010, Week 4

AUXLANG October 2010, Week 4

Subject:

Re: newbie

From:

Stephen Rice <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 24 Oct 2010 11:34:54 -0600

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On 10/24/10, Abel Adam <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I appreciate very much the tone of your post. I am no Cain.

I was indulging in an English-language pun. "Raise Cain" means "create
a disturbance, wreak havoc." The connection with "Abel Adam" was
obvious,but I didn't intend to compare you and Cain (1 John 3:12).

I agree with
> everything you said with the following nuances :
>
> Fairlang was made from scratch while Toki Pona mostly sticks to PNG
> Pidgin-but
> of course "qui se ressemble s’assemble".

There are considerable differences. However, I've seen auxlangs
derived from TP before, so it was my first reaction.

Silent consonant is here to avoid
> CVV to be pronounced CV.  Many people have a hard time pronouncing an
> initial "ng". VCV is not valid here.

The hVngV words are effectively VCV. I think if I wanted a non-letter
like that, I'd use an apostrophe. In any case, if the <h> is supposed
to prevent CVhV from collapsing into CV, shouldn't it also prevent
diphthongs such as lahi > lai (apparently a monosyllable)?

Some Polynesian languages and Yoruba
> feature NG as an initial of syllable and word yet never as a coda.

Welsh has it in both positions.

But if "Many people have a hard time pronouncing an initial "ng"," why
have it even in a medial CV syllable?

> "Hingi-hanga-hungu" is a very basic voice system designed to avoid
> passive-middle-active. It is somehow similar to Rick Morneau’s. It is quite
> different and definitely needs to be further exemplified.

It's been a while since I looked at his essay. I think I have a copy
somewhere on my computer.

> Fairlang’s basic lexicon is not the copy of the jouyou kanji or some "600
> most used Chinese characters" precisely because of the very reasons you
> point out. It was selected and culled on its own while constantly compared
> to these and others. 600 is the result, not the start, of that process. I
> understand that it’s very few. It took me a very long time to convince
> myself
> that it would be OK and maybe I am wrong. In any case I believe that
> vocabulary construction is never exact nor objective and that its main goal
> should be easy memorization without drowning into unfathomable abstraction.

Fair enough.

> All this is definitely controversial as is "God season", but I believe it
> works: hopefully the only thing you will remember of this language will be
> "God", "season", "graceful", "righteous", their combination and their
> controversy.

It would be better to remember a little more than that.
>
> "Eternity" is rather (tangi) batu labu lit. "(duration) no end", but
> "duration God" is great.

In Christian theology, "eternity" isn't really infinite time but
something outside of time, as God exists outside of time and thus
calls all times "now." Eternal life isn't merely endless existence but
the life of the Age of Ages--the Life from before Creation itself. (As
a modern advertisement might put it, "The life of tomorrow--today!")
But most Christians probably accept the "endless duration" idea.

Bisa tuta" is literally "cart 2" and means "bike"
> while it could mean a cart with two wheels at both ends of the same
> axis like French corresponding "deux-roues" could apply to anything with
> two wheels. And "bisa susu" "elephant cart" is a "truck" like "jumbo" does
> not only mean "ear-winged elephant". Etc.

Agreed: a compound is not a definition; it only has to point the user
in the right direction.

> Anyway all this is only a little experiment and I am fully aware of the
> flaws you mentioned and the many others you were kind enough to overlook. I
> truly value your final appreciation about my job. Enjoy a nice Tuna Kika :)
>
Thank you. And I forgot to mention earlier that it has great aesthetic appeal.

Steve

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