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AUXLANG October 2010, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Spanglish as a route to an IAL?

From:

Matthew Barnett <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 28 Oct 2010 03:37:07 +0100

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On 28/10/2010 03:13, Sapthan wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Olivier Simon <[log in to unmask]
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
>      >> I remember Spanish "pasear" from "paseo" = "walk"
>      >
>      >Yes, the verb is pase/ar, where -ar is the regular Spanish verb
>     ending.  So,
>     to form a verb in Spanglish why don't you just add -ar to the
>     English verb?
>     This ending -ear appears to be unique to Spanglish, which may mark
>     it out as
>     a distinct language.
>      >
>     I don't think so; I don't speak fluent Spanish, but in the "good
>     language" (let's
>     call it "Castilian"), there are verbs ending in "ear".
>     In the Spanglish samples, we find "parquear", "chequear" and
>     "taipear", all
>     loanwords from English. However, "parque" and "cheque" already exist in
>     Castilian. "taipe" apparently not, but it still follows the rules of
>     adaptation of
>     loanwords into Castilian where no word can end with "p" nor "c" or
>     "k"; you
>     have always to add "e" at the end. So "tank" is""tanque" in Spanish.
>
>
> The thing here about those examples is that the regular verbs in Spanish
> have these endings: '-ar', '-er', '-ir'. That's it.
>
> The examples are not 'regular' Spanish, since 'parque' means 'park' as
> in 'an open area for recreation', but the verb 'parquear' is an
> anglicism (is that right, anglicism?

Yes.

> It's anglicismo in Spanish) and comes from the English verb 'to park'.
 > 'Cheque' means 'check',

'check' in US English, 'cheque' in UK English.

 > as in 'a  signed piece of paper worth money' (yes, the definitions are
> mine, made  up just now), but the verb 'chequear' (also written 'checar')
> comes from  'to check' (as in 'check that out'). 'Taipear' comes from 'to
> type', I think. So those verbs ending with '-ear' are 'imported' from
> English  into a Spanish-like format.
>
> People who use that kind of language, Spanglish, or who code-switch a
> lot are looked down on by people who speak 'correct' Spanish, at least
> over here in the California-Baja California border area. People refer to
> Spanglish speakers as 'pochos' (no idea where that comes from).
>
> I read somewhere of another Spanglish, umm... dialect?, spoken in
> Gibraltar, mixing English English and Spanish Spanish. It was quite
> different from the Spanglish I'm used to here.
>
Andalusian Spanish. Standard Spanish Spanish is Castillian.

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