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CONLANG  October 2010, Week 4

CONLANG October 2010, Week 4

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Re: Mixing pre- and post- positioned adjectives

From:

Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 25 Oct 2010 20:16:39 -0700

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--- On Mon, 10/25/10, Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


> Working on my new conlang Kunu, I've
> pretty much stabilized the
> syllabary, and now I'm translating some simple sentences to
> get a feel
> for how the grammar will work. As much as possible it will
> be
> non-inflecting, since I want to retain the same "shape" for
> the words
> in the syllabary font. For that reason I needed an optional
> particle
> to indicate plural when its not evident from context. But
> what started
> out as a pluralizing particle, "ma" grew into a collection
> of
> particles that act like post-positioned articles and/or
> quantifiers.
> For example, given "shuru mishi" = "bee" (lit: honey bug) I
> can have:
> 
> shuru mishi - a single, unspecified bee.
> shuru mishi da - a particular single bee; "this bee", or
> "the bee".
> shuru mishi ona - some small number of bees; "some bees",
> "a few bees".
> shuru mishi mia - a moderate or large number of bees; "many
> bees", "a
> lot of bees".
> shuru mishi ma - all bees; bees in general.
> 
> But suppose I want to say "some large bees" or "this large
> bee". Let
> "pika" be "large", then I would have:
> 
> pika shuru mishi da - large bee this (the large bee)
> pika shuru mishi ona - large bee PLU-few (some large bees)
> pika shuru mishi ma - large bee PLU-all (all large bees)
> 
> I'm just wondering if it violates any universal laws of God
> and nature
> to put what are effectively adjectives both before AND
> after the same
> noun.
> 
As to the last question, no, as Christophe pointed out. Similarly in Spanish, though in both cases (and others I can think of) the preposed adjs. are somtimes limited, and also include quantifiers.

As for your proposed system, I don't see why the adj. has to be preposed. In fact the structure suggest an order N DET, from which N ADJ DET could follow. Strikes me the adj. could go almost anywhere in the string after the noun. I guess my preference would be before the determiner, so

shuru mishi pika da - bee large this (the large bee
shuru mishi pika ona - bee large PLU-few (some large bees)
shuru mishi pika ma - bee large PLU-all (all large bees)

Of course you might run into problems with multiple adjectives........
 

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