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CONLANG  October 2010, Week 4

CONLANG October 2010, Week 4

Subject:

Re: {X} in Your Conscript (was Re: New Zhyler Orthography Page)

From:

Shair A <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 25 Oct 2010 15:42:10 -0500

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The "X" shape represents the character for "big" in the script for Bɨɨše.

2010/10/25 BPJ <[log in to unmask]>

> 2010-10-24 07:13, David Peterson skrev:
>
>  The shape "X" seems common enough that it should show up in a
>> variety of conscripts. I say we start a thread tracking it!
>>
>
> Kijeb syllabary:
>
> ŋa /Na/ =   a simple X.
> ki      =   X with a stroke at the top left arm.
> tar     =   X with broken top arms.
> ar      =   ditto with two vertical dots between bottom arms.
> sat     =   X with stroke thru bottom arms.
> pa      =   cross with stroke thru lower stem.
> ka      =   cross potent.
> ir      =   # with six strokes (y'know what I mean!)
> mir     =   outlined +.
> tir     =   swastika [^1].
> ir      =   fylfot with doubled 'hands'.
>
> several other signs (pas, ra, ŋu) are cross/X-like lke but
> harder to describe in words.  You can see the lot at
> <http://wiki.frath.net/Kijeb_syllabary_%28Sohlob%29>.
>
> Since we're going over uses of the letter _x_ as well:
>
> Sohlob latinization:    /x/         (unimaginative!)
> Old Rhodrese:           /ʃ/, /tʃ/
>    _tx_                /tʃ/        (also modern Rhodrese)
> Euia Twas:              /ɕ/
> Unnamed conlang:        /ɖʐ/
>    _xh_                /ʐ/
>
>    (I wanted to avoid the most run-of-the-mill associations
>    for the 'superfluous' letters of the Latin alphabet and
>    yet come up with something consistent that made sense
>    for me, so this lang got:
>
>    _c_ /ʈʂ/ _ch_ /ʂ/ _k_ /tɕ/ _kh_ /ɕ/ _q_ /k/ _qh_ /χ/ _s_
>    /ts/ _sh_ /s/ _x_ /ɖʐ/ _xh_ /ʐ/ _z_ /dz/ _zh_ /z/.
>
>    Alas I couldn't with a good conscience use anything
>    other than _ph dh th_ for /ɸ ð θ/! There was no /ɣ/ but
>    there was _ngh_ /ŋ/ against _ng_ /ŋg/! In case you
>    wonder _j_ was /j/, _v_ was /ʋ/, _w_ was /β/ and
>    the vowels were
>
>    _e_ /ə/ _a_ /ɑ/ _y_ /ɪ/ _i_ /i/ _o_ /ʊ/ _u_
>    /u/ _ey_ /əɪ/ _ay_ /ɑɪ/ _eo_ /əʊ/ _ao_ /ɑʊ/,
>
>    and yes, it was an Indo-Iranian lang, and yes it had a
>    native script too — based on Kharoṣṭhī, though I hadn't
>    very good info on how conjuncts and vowel signs worked
>    in Kharoṣṭhī! :-)
>
> [^1]: I based the Kijeb syllabograms on neolithic European
> signs <http://www.omniglot.com/writing/vinca.htm>, and I
> simply used such as were there and didn't use such that
> weren't. Like the Buddhist/Hindu swastika the Kijeb _tir_
> syllabogram rests on its side.  The Indians' (east and
> west!) undisfigured and quite benign symbol had a head start
> by thousands of years on those 20th-century symbol-hijacking
> scum whose (apparently intentionally) disfigured version
> stands on its corner. Whatever the meaning the symbol had
> for the neolithic Europeans it certainly had nothing to do
> with its 20th-century abuse. My Sohlçan/Kiçan conculture
> isn't even located in our world, and if the symbol has any
> meaning for them other than the phome*ic it certainly is
> akin to the Buddhist one. After all I, their author, have
> taken the Buddhist refuge. Abusus non tollit usum!
>
> /bpj
>

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