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CONLANG  October 2010, Week 5

CONLANG October 2010, Week 5

Subject:

Update: Morphological Downstep (Tone)

From:

David Peterson <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 29 Oct 2010 13:29:28 -0700

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Yesterday I posted about Mary Paster's talk on Gã, and she happened
to see my post on Conlang, and sent me a few clarifications (she tried
to send it to the Conlang-L, but wasn't a member, so I thought I'd post
it for her).

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "mimsymary" <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: October 29, 2010 10◊51◊17 AM PDT
> To: David Peterson <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Ga examples
> 
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> I just tried to post the following to the list but the reply is not
> displaying -- not sure if it's being moderated since I'm not a member of
> the group, or if it got lost somewhere in the series of tubes, or if it
> just takes a while. So I thought I'd just send it directly to you.
> 
> Best,
> Mary
> ***
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Thanks so much for this post! And thanks again for attending the talk.
> It was great to see you.
> 
> I just wanted to post a quick clarification about something in Ga that's
> different from what I said in the talk, which is that rising tones
> trigger a vowel lengthening rule that I didn't talk about. So those
> imperative forms I cited were more like phonemic transcriptions and
> would actually be pronounced with a long vowel. I think I pronounced
> them that way, but it would have been hard to discern since I didn't
> pronounce a lot of examples and I'm not a native speaker anyway.
> Basically the forms I cited would be intermediate forms after the high
> tone has been associated but before lengthening. The reason I did that
> was that I'd already shown examples of the rising tone and the diacritic
> we use for that, and I wanted the audience to instantly recognize those
> imperatives as having a rising tone rather than puzzling over what it
> means to have different tones on adjacent vowels and then having to make
> the leap to equate that with a short rising tone. I thought about
> putting the symbol on one vowel and then just putting a colon after, but
> then I worried that the audience would get preoccupied with the fact
> that there were two changes applying to the imperative forms (when
> really there's just the tone change, which then triggers the
> lengthening).
> 
> This doesn't matter to the point you are making here, though, or to the
> excellent question you asked at the talk. You could still associate the
> L tone of the perfect onto the H-toned verb, resulting in a rising tone
> that would then trigger the same lengthening that occurs in the
> imperative. So, the fact that you don't associate the L tone is still
> interesting (and I am not sure that the vague answer I gave you would
> fully explain it, though I do think that must be part of the
> explanation).
> 
> Anyway, I just thought I should give you the real story about this for
> the sake of full disclosure -- especially since if you run across any of
> Jie Zhang's work on the distribution of contour tones you'll see that he
> cites Ga as an example of a language where rising tones trigger
> lengthening (based on my description)!
> 
> Best,
> 
> Mary

-David
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