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CONLANG November 2010, Week 2

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Re: Inflecting nouns and pronouns for tense?

From:

Douglas Koller <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:52:17 +0000

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Shannon" <[log in to unmask]> 
To: [log in to unmask] 
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 1:12:48 PM 
Subject: Re: Inflecting nouns and pronouns for tense? 

>On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Tim Smith <[log in to unmask]> wrote: 
>> In Hausa, subject pronouns are inflected for tense (and also mood and 
>> aspect). These "tensed pronouns" look like they originated as contractions 
>> of pronouns with auxiliary verbs, like English "I've"/"I'd"/"I'll" etc. 
>... SNIP... 

>> Since Hausa is not just any natlang but a 
>> major regional lingua franca, it seems clear that this is not a strange or 
>> marginal phenomenon, but one that can be freely used in conlangs without 
>> fear of seeming "unnatural". Whether the same can be said for tense-marked 
>> _nouns_ (as opposed to pronouns), I'm not so sure; I don't know of any 
>> natlang examples of that. 

>As it turns out, so far in conlang-X only pronouns are showing the 
>tendency to inflect. Nouns, so far, show no such tendency. 

>I'm glad to find out that this is not overly bizarre since it seems 
>like so natural a fit in conlang-X (still no name for it) 

The concept, as I understand it, seems perfectly reasonable. Let me see if I *do* understand it. 

The lang is VOS, and pronouns mark for tense, giving us, e.g.: 

See dog I-did 
See dog you-did 
See dog he-did 
See dog 0-did Mary 
See dog we-did 
See dog y'all-did 
See dog they-did 

(how the pronoun spaces are divvied up heretofore undecided or unknown to this, your humble correspondent) 

OR 

The lang is VOS, and tense-indicators (auxiliaries?) mark for person, giving us, e.g.: 

See dog did-I 
See dog did-you 
See dog did-he 
See dog did-0 Mary 
See dog did-we 
See dog did-y'all 
See dog did-they 

BUT 

"Mary's seen the dog." cannot be: 

See dog has-Mary. 

JUST 

See dog has-0 Mary. or See dog 0-has Mary. 

AND 

"Mary'd've seen the dog." cannot be: 

See dog 'd've-Mary. 

JUST 

See dog 'd've-0 Mary. or See dog 0-'d've Mary. 

But along the lines of, "Moi, je l'ai vue, elle." You could also try: 

See dog did-she Mary. or See dog she-did Mary. 

Though you said your lang doesn't seem to be moving in this direction. 

Have I understood? 

Kou 

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