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CONLANG  November 2010, Week 2

CONLANG November 2010, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Inflecting nouns and pronouns for tense?

From:

Patrick Dunn <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:13:44 -0600

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Gemination and/or voicing of the first consonant would be a reasonable sound
change to occur with a prefixed d-, it seems to me.  You have the gemination
of the first consonant of Hebrew definite nouns (albeit with a prefixed ha-
from the earlier [iirc] *hal-) and you've got a whole set of various
mutations prevailing in Irish caused by initial particles that became
grammaticalized into their following nouns.

I could also see a shift of stress occurring, I think, although it seems
more likely to occur with suffixes than prefixes, it seems to me.  Just my
intuition.



On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:15 PM, MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> My first thought on seeing "d'nabui" was to pronounce it as "nnabui".
>
> stevo
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Douglas Koller <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> > ...SNIP...
> > >
> > > The concept, as I understand it, seems perfectly reasonable. Let me see
> > if I *do* understand it.
> >
> > ... SNIP...
> > >
> > > The lang is VOS, and pronouns mark for tense, giving us, e.g.:
> > >
> > > See dog I-did
> > > See dog you-did
> >
> > Your description is correct, but as you put it in your second group of
> > examples:
> >
> > "See dog did-I".
> >
> > As it turned out in today's translation, the past tense marker "dua"
> > has become a clitic "d" attached to both pronouns and nouns by an
> > apostrophe, sometimes with slight modification of the pronoun, but
> > always with the complete version of the noun. Thus "dua hwalu" (did
> > she) becomes "d'walu", and "dua nabui" (did the women) becomes
> > "d'nabui". I wasn't really planning on applying it to ordinary nouns,
> > but that's the way it happened to turn out as I was doing the
> > translations.
> >
> > I think it might just stay this way rather than having the words
> > actually fuse into a single-word inflected noun/pronoun.
> >
> > BTW: Day eleven marks the halfway point in the translation, 1176 words
> > out of 2198 (54% actually). I now have 306 conlang words and 703
> > English words in my dictionary.
> >
> > http://fiziwig.com/conlang/thirty_day.html
> >
> > --gary
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Patrick Dunn <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > Is tense marked morphemically in Mori?
> > >
> > > I seem to recall the general semi-universal is aspect > tense > mood,
> > > meaning if a language has one verbal marking, it marks aspect, two it
> > marks
> > > aspect and tense, and three it marks tense, aspect, and mood -- but I
> > don't
> > > recall where I read or heard that.  It may have been a crazy person.
> >
> > That sounds reasonable. In fact it may well be that what I've been
> > calling "past tense" actually marks the perfective aspect. That
> > interpretation IS consistent with my translations so far, inasmuch as
> > no sentences have yet occurred that would really distinguish between
> > past tense and perfective aspect in any meaningful way.
> >
> > --gary
> >
>



-- 
I have stretched ropes from steeple to steeple; garlands from window to
window; golden chains from star to star, and I dance.  --Arthur Rimbaud

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