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CONLANG  November 2010, Week 4

CONLANG November 2010, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Missing infinitive

From:

Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 25 Nov 2010 23:23:22 +0100

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On 25 November 2010 20:10, Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Is the infinitive something a language MUST have?
>
>
As others have said before, the answer is simple: no. Plenty of languages
out there get by without an infinitive. Indeed, Modern Greek uses finite
subclauses nearly everywhere English would use an infinitive. Your example:
"I like to run" in Modern Greek would indeed be "μ' αρέσει να τρέχω": "I
like that I run" (or literally: "it pleases me that I run"). Modern Standard
Arabic doesn't have an infinitive either. Instead sentences like "I like to
run" are translated with finite subclauses as in Greek, or with a masdar, a
verbal noun that refers to the action described by the verb. It's not
considered an infinitive because it's a true noun (infinitives are usually
defective nouns with some verbal traits, like tense. Masdars are true nouns
without any verbal trait left) and it isn't derived from the verb in any
straightforward way (for most verbs).


> So far, Txtana (my 30-day conlang) has no infinitive form of the verb.
> And so far, I don't feel any need to introduce one. But in sentences
> like "I like to run." (Raxo havato setu.) the sentence just didn't
> feel right to me. So I modified the way those constructions are
> handled, still not using an infinitive form. Instead of using two
> verbs in "I like to run." Txtana now uses a passive participle form of
> the first verb as if it were an adverb. So the verb "to like" (or
> similar verbs like: to be able to, to be allowed to, to intend to, to
> prefer to,... etc.) becomes:
>
> raxo = like (remember 'X' is pronounced "sh")
> passive = na + raxo = naraxo. (to be liked)
> participle = ~e instead of ~o = naraxe. (liked-ADV/ADJ)
> havato = run
>
> Naraxe havato setu.
> Is-liked run PRES-me.
> I like to run. (I like running.)
>
> liso = to permit, to allow
> naliso = to be permitted, to be allowed
> nalise permitted (ADJ/ADV)
> Nalise havato setu.
> Is-permitted run PRES-me.
> I am allowed to run.
> I may run.
>
>
Interesting way to handle the lack of infinitive. In my Moten I went the
simple way and just use finite subclauses, as in Greek.


> This seems to work fine with no infinitive. Are there natlangs other
> than strictly analytical ones that lack the infinitive?
>
>
As others said, plenty of them :) . I'm not even sure languages with an
infinitive are the majority!
-- 
Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets.

http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
http://www.christophoronomicon.nl/

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