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AUXLANG  December 2010, Week 2

AUXLANG December 2010, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Esperanto/Mondlango continuance, change, and acceptance

From:

Olivier Simon <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:02:47 -0500

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Sell vesper Lang Newb !

What a long post ! You could almost write a book with it...

>I've been reading about Occidental and it seems pretty good. It feels a lot
>like I'm reading French (I get a bit of the same sense with Ido). I'm
>wondering if it was very important in the early part of the 20th century for
>an auxlang to serve the French and Italian communities with paricular care,
>or if the words I hear that I associate with French are part of other
>languages and I've only heard French. Or perhaps the vowel-heavy words 
were
>meant to serve clarity and ease in the face of varied linguistic
>backgrounds.
At the time when Esperanto and Occidental were designed, French still 
enjoyed a higher status than English for international communication. 
Nowadays, French still has some prestige as a language of beauty, and it is a 
bridge between the other Romance languages (whether modern like Spanish 
and Portuguese, or ancient like Latin) and English. [the complex orthography 
of Sambahsa is partly justified by the necessity to preserve the outlook of 
words common to French and English]


 It seemed to me that the grammar rules of Occidental were
>extended a bit beyond the bare necessesity to make things look a little more
>natural. I found it a mild challenge to track down and understand the
>grammar, and because I still have trouble remembering the difference 
between
>a participle and a preposition the lack of example text made for a slight
>hill climb. I've since found a link to more Occidental-centric info, so I'll
>peruse that.
>
The mere grammar is indeed very simple (simpler than Esperanto); these are 
the derivation rules which are complicated, but they give the key to word-
formation in Romance languages. 

>Robert Winter seemed entirely smitten with the language, so that's saying
>something good.
>
He should sing: "last month Occidental saved my year..."

>I had a look at those, and at your Sambahsa also. From reading the forward
>on Sambahsa it looks to be the Formula One of natural-looking constructed
>languages (and it sounds good in the YouTube videos). That's beyond my
>present ability but I hope it gains an active user base. When reading some
>of the phrasebook it felt very much like those sounds would emerge
>naturally, which I'm sure was an aspect that you took great care to design.
>It's neat what you did with pronouns/articles, I haven't seen that before
>and it reminds me a bit of hearing Jamaicans speak. As for the full grammar,
>my poor ability to comprehend left me standing like a deer in headlights, so
>I'll have to put this one aside for now.
>
Thanks !
I don't drive any car, but I often surprise roe deer in the forest...

>-Sambahsa: Majestic, and currently a fair bit beyond my reach.

His Majesty's Sambahsa...

>-Interlingua: I want to bring Gode back from the dead so I can kick him in
>the nuts so hard he sees them upside down and backwards. Interlingua just
>makes me furious when I think about it. I ranted at myself for 15 minutes
>the other day incredulous at the thought of 14 years of work resulting in a
>language that wasn't meant to be spoken, presided over by a man who didn't
>even believe in the concept of an auxlang as I know it. In my ignorance, I
>believe a great opportunity had been squandered by the creation of
>Interlingua. If I were to look on the bright side, it kept Jespersen's name
>in circulation a little longer and it contained the concept of grammar being
>a lowest-common-denominator of the grammars of the control languages, 
which
>I believe would belong in the 2nd tier of a 3-tier language design wherein
>the 2nd tier is for science, business, and administration.
>
>Thanks for the pointer to those languages, they're definitely worth
>reviewing. Except for Interlingua. I'll move on before I start yelling to
>myself again.

Very funny ! Think that Interlingua would have never been published if they 
could have gotten subsidies eternally...

Olivier
http://sambahsa.pbworks.com/ 

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