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CONLANG  January 2011, Week 3

CONLANG January 2011, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Fixing English

From:

Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:24:52 -0800

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---Philip Newton---

>> Plural nouns might end in "-(n)es" so that the plural noun
>> "flies" becomes "flyes".

> Not "flynes"? I assumed that the parenthesised "(n)" meant this would
> be inserted after vowels.

I think "Y" is a special case that can be treated as a consonant
whenever that makes the resulting word easy to pronounce.

> Sounds similar to the parts of speech that Esperanto distinguishes, so
> why not use its endings?

> "Fruita flyoj (fruito-flyoj?) like a banano", "Timo flyas like an arro".

Of all the many things "wrong" with Esperanto the "-oj" plural ending
is perhaps (IMHO) the most hideous. Yech!


---Douglas Koller---

> So the inability to pun is better?

Computers don't get puns anyway, so that ability would be wasted on them. :-)

> My knowledge of loglangs is limited, yet I still find this disturbing.
> You can get a three-year old to hear "Put the green ball next to the
> blue box on top of the red table." and get the desired result. A computer
> hemorrhages with such a request. Is it not better to get a computer to
> think our way than to have us think binary? 001001111110001

That assumes a con-future where there are any humans left! ;-)

---Philip Newton---

> You can still pun with homophones that have the same part of speech -
> for example, "A man walked into a bar... ouch!" which puns on "bar =
> drinking establishment" and "bar = rod of metal".

Surely a "perfected" version of English would eliminate such
degenerate defects. :-)

---R A Brown---

> ---Douglas Koller---

>>    . A computer hemorrhages with such a request. Is it not
>>    better to get a computer to think our way than to have
>>    us think binary?

> As an amateur linguist or some 50+ years standing and a
> retired professional computer scientist, I answer with a
> resounding "AMEN!!"

> Computers are machines meant to aid humans - humans are not
> meant to be slaves to machines however "intelligent" the
> machine may appear to be.

Ah, but imagine a future where humans are either extinct, or have, in
fact, become slaves to the computers.

> I'm a bit puzzled by the subject line "Fixing English."
> There is an old truism: "If it works, don't fix it."

Perhaps "fixing" should have been in tongue-in-cheek quotes. After
all, the whole exercise is meant to be just for fun, and not something
to be taken seriously.

---Daniel Nielsen---

> English doesn't
> work as well as it should. And then there are the negligible chances of such
> a system becoming widely used,.

Then again, there is a negligible chance of ANY conlang project
becoming widely used. And since such a project would be just for fun,
I wouldn't even want it to become widely used.

---Jörg Rhiemeier---

> Apart from noting that "fixing" a natlang is entirely not my
> kettle of fish (that is what the auxlangers and especially
> the philosophical language cranks are attempting to do),
> some matters discussed in this thread are nevertheless
> interesting.

I strongly dislike auxlangs. I think anyone who seriously thinks an
auxlang of any kind will ever be widely accepted is just putting too
many strange herbal substances in their pipe bowl. Nope, this would be
purely a conlang, just for the fun of exploration the possibilities.

--gary

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