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CONLANG  January 2011, Week 3

CONLANG January 2011, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Tubenian, newborn language.

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BPJ <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Thu, 20 Jan 2011 21:41:25 +0100

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2011-01-19 22:14, BPJ skrev:
> 2011-01-18 22:38, Lars Finsen skrev:
>> a phoneme inventory of /a e i o u y j l m n r b d g p t k h s S
>> x/.
>> 
>> Notably there is no labial fricative, which suits me fine, because 
>> Starostin's Eurasian doesn't have any either. But it does have /w/,
>> so I have to find a way to handle that. Tentatively I have combined
>> them with neighbouring vowels to produce o's, but this makes the
>> language somewhat o-heavy, so I'm not sure I will go for it.
> 
> The obvious way to get rid of [w], if [b/B/p/f/v] aren't an option is
> to have it merge with zero, IMHO.
> 
> North Germanic had /w/ > 0 before /o u/, and /w/ > /j/ isn't unheard
> of. Why not have /w/ > 0 before /o u/, /w/ > /j/ before /i y e/ --
> possibly with later /ji/ > /i/, /jy/ > /y/ and maybe even /je/ > /e/
> if needed -- and /wa/ > [Q] > /o/?
> 
> /bpj
> 


Some further observations:

1)  You may of course have the same types of changes in
    final/preconsonantal *w as well, so that you get *-ew > -ej,
    *-ow > -o/-u, *aw > -a/-o.

2)  If you are concerned about getting a lot of diphthongs and VjV
    you can always have various monophthongizations later. Those are a
    darn good source for dialects too. And *Vju/ujV/iw/ew are possible
    sources for /y/s.

3)  If you have changes like *ew/*ow/*aw > /o/ but end up with
    very many /o/s then maybe the language had an /a/ ~ /Q/ ~ /o/
    distinction which the script failed to express, conflating /Q/ with
    either {a} or {o}.

4)  Another possible change is /w/ > /g/ or /w/ > /b/, although
    neither of these strikes me as likely as an across-the-board
    change: *wa > /ga/ seems the most likely, with decreasing
    likelihood before front vowels, *o and *u. Initial *wo> /go/,
    and especially *wu > /gu/ seems to me less likely than the same
    intervocalically, and final/preconsonantal *w > /g/ seems the
    least likely. Also *wo, *wu > /bo bu/ seem more believalble than
    /go gu/.

5)  Of course nothing stops you from getting rid of *w in
    different ways in different positions, e.g.:

        -   *w  >   g   /   _ (a, i, e)
        -   *w  >   0   /   # _ (o, u)
        -   *w  >   b   /   V _ V   -- other than *wa > ga
        -   *iw >   y   /   _ (C, #)
        -   *ew >   o   /   -"-
        -   *aw >   Q   /   -"-
        -   *ow >   u   /   -"-
        -   *uw >   u   /   -"-
        
        Clearly you have room for dialect diversification here![^1]

6)  Actually I think the likeliest path for losing initial
    *b is to have it merge with*w before it is lost and share in
    whatever happened to delete it. *b > /m/ is less likely if /d/
    and /g/ aren't similarly affected.

[^1]:
    I have similar goings-on is the Sohlob languages with */Ba/
    merging with */wa/ and */wV/ later merging with */gwV/ in one
    branch, but initial */Bi/ remaining distinct as /v/, while */w/
    and */B/ merged as /w/ in the other branch, all originally since
    */gw/ was supposed to merge with */w/ intervocalically but remain
    initially, but I ended up with three sets of words due to a typo in
    a sound-change applier:

      Set   Northern   Southern
      ----- ---------- ----------
      1.    g(w)-      g(w)-
      2.    w-         g(w)-
      3.    w-         v-

    and due to the circumstances all words in set 2 had *wa-* and all
    words in set 3 had *wi-*.

    I also later introduced the originally non-existent */wu/ and
    */Bu/ since my pinkie tended to slip between _q_ /R/ and _w_ when
    typing on the QWERTY keyboard, and this actually made sense as
    differential merging in different branches:

      Proto   Western   Eastern
      ------- --------- ---------
      *Bu       bu        gu
      *wu       gu        gu

    It also led to the introduction of */ai/ and */au/, since I also had to
    explain away *q/w* alternation before */i/* and */a/*

    Proto		Western		Eastern
    ----------  ----------  ----------
    *gwi		*gi			*gwi
    *gwai		*gwi		*gwi
    *gwa		*gwa		*gwa
    *gwau		*ga			*gwa

    (BTW I also often mistype k/x on the Dvorak keyboard. Maybe that
    can be worked into the explanation why */xw/ didn't exist... ;-)

/bpj

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