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CONLANG  February 2011, Week 1

CONLANG February 2011, Week 1

Subject:

SI units in TAKE (was: What does _joule_ rhyme with?)

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On 02/02/2011 18:41, Philip Newton wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 23:12, R A Brown<[log in to unmask]>  wrote:
>> The only thing I'm rethinking is the use of δζ at the beginning a TAKE word.
>> I suspect the combo cause those know modern Greek to shudder
>
> Not me. TAKE is not Modern Greek and has its own spelling conventions,
> not least because the pronunciation of various letters is different.

OK - but it is meant to be fairly faithful to classical 
Greek norms as regards spelling; and that certainly had no δζ.

>> The TAKE form is likely to be ζοῦλ (zoûl) [zu:l]
>
> I was thinking - if neo-Greek words coined in western European
> languages (or real Greek words borrowed into them) are spelled as if
> transmitted through Latin (second-declension neuters ending in -um,
> kappa turning into |c|, etc.), even if that particular word never
> showed up in Latin - I wonder whether TAKE might (occasionally) do
> something analogous and start with an iota? (I'm not sure whether that
> would end up being /i.u:l/ or /ju:l/. What does TAKE do with things
> like ιατρός, again?)

Ancient ἰατρός (doctor, physician) simply become ἰατρό in TAKE.

> Latin Wikipedia has http://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joulium for the unit,
> with the rather non-Latin J

Consonantal _i_ was regularly re-spelled with _j_ in 
post-Renaissance spelling of Latin and is still sometimes 
encountered.

> (and an -ou- digraph),

_ou_ is not a digraph in any form of Latin. _ioulium/ 
joulium_ must be pronounced /jo'ulium/ - four syllables. The 
Latin form is clearly based on the English spelling and not 
on the English pronunciation.

> but it spells the
> name of the good physicist with Iu- in the article on the unit: a
> perfectly cromulent combination with precedent e.g. in "ius, iur-".

Also often spelled jus, jur- . The different uses of _j_ and 
_i_ merely reflect inconsistent use in the Wikipedia articles.

> (But it's spelled Jou- in the article on him itself:
> http://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iacobus_Prescott_Joule .)

Yes, I had considered hellenizing the modern Latin 
_joulium_. But ἰοούλιο is IMO particularly clumsy.  Also I 
am not sure how 'authentic' the modern Latin _joulium/ 
ioulium_ is.

There is certainly a problem on how to render various SI 
units in TAKE.  I've been mulling over what to do with 
_mole_ for several days    ;)

This is one of the problems of bring TAKE into this 
timeline.  On the other hand, the problems of leaving TAKE 
in RHATL/ WHATL or whatever other Hellenic alternate 
time-line would be even greater: it is most unlikely that in 
time-line the ancient weights and measures would still be 
used; there would be some rationalization and, among 
scientists, internationalization of usage.  One would have 
to imagine a whole different system.  At least in our own 
timeline that bit of it is done.

-- 
Ray
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fieri per pauciora.
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