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CONLANG  February 2011, Week 1

CONLANG February 2011, Week 1

Subject:

Re: YAEUT: Husband and Wife

From:

Patrick Dunn <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:15:39 -0600

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On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> --- On Sat, 2/5/11, Eldin Raigmore <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > (If you're a native Anglophone, tell
> > me what country your from and how old
> > you are when you answer this.)
> >
> > To me, "Husband" connotes both "male spouse" and "woman's
> > spouse".
> > To me, "Wife" connotes both "female spouse" and "man's
> > spouse".
> >
> > So when two people of the same sex are married to each
> > other, I'm
> > comfortable hearing either of them referred to as the
> > other's "spouse", but not
> > as the other's "husband" nor as the other's "wife".
> >
> > I'm a 59-y/o USAmerican living in southeast Michigan (for
> > 15 years now).
> >
> > Maybe my language is just behind the times.
> >
> Ha! Amusing question. I'm pushing 77, male, gay, American who cut his
> teeth, so to speak, in NYC in the early 1960s--- I find the use of "husband,
> wife" for one's gay committed (or, now, legally married) partner a little
> jarring too, so I guess I'm behind the times as well. I much prefer the
> neutral "partner", which has the added advantage of flummoxing clueless
> people. "Spouse" I suppose is OK, but seems a little namby-pamby.
>
> In the Old Days (late 1950s-early 60s NYC for me), before gay marriage was
> even dreamt of, one had a "lover", which implied a (hopefully) long-term
> and/or committed relationship. For that matter, no one I ever heard of
> (until much later, 80s/90s) had a "commitment ceremony". We used husband and
> wife rather derogatorily, sorry to say, since they implied (and to me, still
> do) active/passive sexual roles. This goes too for the older men I knew, who
> mostly came out in the 30s or during WW II.
>
> There was a joke line that always got a laugh (and maybe still does?): so I
> said to my wife, "Bruce...."
>
> These lines by Hart Crane pretty well describe those old days:
>
> "And so it was I entered the broken world,
> to seek the visionary company of love, it's voice
> an instant in the wind--who knows where hurled?--
> and not for long to hold each desperate choice."
>
> Or my own take on the subject:
>
> "And so I pray for all my brothers, who,
> pacing the frozen streets that ring these parts,
> elected but unwilling, did not choose
> to live with winter tenant in our hearts."
>
> Times have changed, Thank G*d.
>
>
>
 I didn't realize you were a talented poet, too.  I'm impressed.

I'm 35, rural midwestern, but now living near Chicago.  I don't even blink
at "husband" for a male spouse.


-- 
I have stretched ropes from steeple to steeple; garlands from window to
window; golden chains from star to star, and I dance.  --Arthur Rimbaud

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