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CONLANG  February 2011, Week 1

CONLANG February 2011, Week 1

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Re: YAEUT: Husband and Wife

From:

MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 6 Feb 2011 17:07:22 -0500

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So maybe we should junk the words "husband" and "wife" even for hetero
couples. I can see your point about "separate but equal". Or junk the
institution of marriage altogether.

stevo

On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <tsela.cg@
gmail.com> wrote:

>  On 5 February 2011 23:00, Eldin Raigmore <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > (If you're a native Anglophone, tell me what country your from and how
> old
> > you are when you answer this.)
> >
> > To me, "Husband" connotes both "male spouse" and "woman's spouse".
> > To me, "Wife" connotes both "female spouse" and "man's spouse".
> >
> > So when two people of the same sex are married to each other, I'm
> > comfortable hearing either of them referred to as the other's "spouse",
> but
> > not
> > as the other's "husband" nor as the other's "wife".
> >
> > I'm a 59-y/o USAmerican living in southeast Michigan (for 15 years now).
> >
> > Maybe my language is just behind the times.
> >
>
>
> I'm 34 (nearly 35), French, living in the Netherlands. To me, "husband"
> means "male spouse", and "wife" means "female spouse", regardless of the
> gender of the other spouse. "Partner" is for business relationships. I hate
> it when this word is used for married couples, whatever the gender (even
> though it's quite common in the Netherlands, even among heterosexual
> couples, to call one's spouse "partner"). "Life partner" is only slightly
> better, and implies to me that the couple is unmarried. "Spouse" is for
> forms, not to be used in actual conversation.
>
> I've been married for 4 years, and I call my male spouse "husband" (or
> rather, in Dutch: _man_. In Dutch, the word for "man" also means "husband",
> while the word for "woman", _vrouw_, also means "wife"). That's what he is,
> despite me being also male. Both for the law and in feeling, he is my
> husband, and I am his husband.
>
> As for the people who say there should be special words for the spouses in
> a
> homosexual relationship, I have three words for you: "separate but equal".
> Insisting that different words be used for a homosexual relationship
> compared to a heterosexual one emphasises difference, which will inevitably
> be interpreted as a value difference, namely that a homosexual relationship
> is somehow "less valid" than a heterosexual one. It may be unfortunate, but
> that's how things work. The only way to get rid of this way of thinking is
> by insisting that all relationships (and the participants in those
> relationships) get called the same way. As long as we insist on giving them
> different names, people will focus on the difference, rather than see the
> equal value. It might just be words, but sometimes words are important.
>
> That said, I can understand why some people find it difficult to use words
> in contexts they are unfamiliar with. It's probably the same with me and
> "partner". To me, the business connotations of the word make it entirely
> unsuitable to describe the participants in a romantic relationship. But
> many
> other people don't have that problem.
> --
> Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets.
>
> http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
> http://www.christophoronomicon.nl/
>

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