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CONLANG February 2011, Week 1

Subject:

Re: The verb "to want"

From:

Matthew Boutilier <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 7 Feb 2011 12:20:27 -0500

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(classical) latin contrasts the self-want and others-want with infinitives
and dependent clauses respectively:

volo dormire. = I want to sleep
want-1s sleep-INF

volo ut dormias. = I want you to sleep (lit. I want that you sleep)
want-1s that sleep-2s.

(egyptian) arabic:

عايز أنام.
3āyiz 2anām
wanting 1sg-sleep

عايزك تنام.
3āyiz-ak tanām
wanting-2ms.ACC 2ms-sleep
basically, "i want you, you sleep" - no subjunctive or what not.

3āyiz is a masculine singular active participle.  it and the verb are used
more or less in apposition, for both of the above cases.

volo and 3āyiz can both also be used with a noun as the object, like "i want
a bagel."


On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Jim Henry <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:27 AM, 1 2 <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > - What are the different ways that languages have for rendering this
> > idea, for cases in which the subjects are the same (e.g. "I want to
> > go") and for cases in which the subjects are different (e.g. "I want
> > you to go")?
>
> In Hixkaryana the idea of wanting is expressed, not by a verb, but by
> a postposition "xe", which Desmond Derbyshire usuallly glosses as
> "desirous of".  It can apply to an ordinary noun, e.g.
>
> thetx heno xaxa xe nehxakoną.
> wife dead SUPERLATIVE desirous.of he.was
> He used really to love his late wife.
>
> or to a nominalized verb, e.g.,
>
> honyko wonąr xe wehxaha, Waryaka wya
> peccary shooting-of desirous.of I-am, Waryaka by
> I want Waryaka to shoot peccary.
>
> I've skimmed over Derbyshire's _Hixkaryana and Linguistic Typology_
> looking for examples of "xe" with a nominalized verb whose subject is
> the same as the subject of the main verb (usually the copula), but
> nothing jumps out at me -- the book doesn't have a good index.  I'm
> pretty sure it would look like the second sentence above, only without
> the demoted subject phrase at the end, i.e. "I want to shoot peccary"
> would probably be "honyko wonąr xe wehxaha".
>
> --
> Jim Henry
> http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/
>

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