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CONLANG  February 2011, Week 2

CONLANG February 2011, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Non-subject relativization strategies

From:

Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 12 Feb 2011 13:47:33 -0800

Content-Type:

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--- On Sat, 2/12/11, And Rosta <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: And Rosta <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Non-subject relativization strategies
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 1:24 PM
> Logan Kearsley, On 12/02/2011 16:01:
> > On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 7:21 AM, Philip Newton<[log in to unmask]> 
> wrote:
> >> just as English can't relativise things such
> >> as "This is the man that my wife is the daughter
> of Sandy and ___").
> >
> > Personally, I don't find any problem with that
> sentence.
> 
> I suspect your judgements about which sentences you find
> some problem with is not a useful indicator of whether the
> sentence is English (in any idiolect thereof). Do you use
> such a construction, or does anybody else? If yes, show some
> attested examples, which will be of great service to
> grammarians. If no, then why not? The reason why not is that
> there is some sort of problem with the construction. (The
> construction is plainly useful and easy to understand, so
> the problem must be syntactic.)
> 

Note that it's perfectly OK if you substitute "and" for "that" (and fill in "him" in the blank at the end). It's also semi-acceptable (but see below) if you leave off the "Sandy and ___" and just stop with "of".

Both versions are the sort of sentence that, in the old days, I think Geo. Lakoff would have marked with a little Star of David, to show that it was acceptable in Yiddish-influenced English (American variety only?). 

You can encounter similar sentences in the writings of S.J.Perelman and/or Groucho Marx (one of whose writers was SJP), and other (Amer.)-Jewish comedians as well as ordinary older Jewish folk in big cities like NYC.  :-))))
 


      

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