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CONLANG  February 2011, Week 2

CONLANG February 2011, Week 2

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Re: The verb "to want"

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Thank you to everyone who has answered so far.

2011/2/7 Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <[log in to unmask]>:
> On 7 February 2011 16:27, 1 2 <cavalo451@...> wrote:
>> Some languages use subordinate clauses with an infinitive if the
>> subjects are the same, but a verb in the subjunctive mood when the
>> subjects are different. For example, in Portuguese:
>> "Eu quero dormir." = "I want to sleep." (uses an infinitive, "dormir")
>> "Eu quero que vocÍ durma." = "I want that you sleep" = "I want you to
>> sleep" (uses a verb in the subjunctive mood, "durma")
>>
> Portuguese (at least in Europe, I don't know about Brazilian Portuguese) is
> well known for having a so-called "personal infinitive", i.e. an infinitive
> form that takes personal endings to indicate the subject of the infinitive.
> Would this personal infinitive be allowed in this construction?
> --
> Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets.
>
> http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
> http://www.christophoronomicon.nl/

Brazilian Portuguese and European Portuguese are practically identical
grammatically. I'm a native speaker of Brazilian Portuguese.
The personal infinitive wouldn't be allowed in the construction "Eu
quero dormir", because "quero" already specifies the person, and
"dormir" denotes a general action of sleeping. This construction with
"quero" + infinitive doesn't allow for "dormir" to be a personal
infinitive (it has to be impersonal).
But one could say, for example:
"… bom dormir." = "It is good to sleep"
Here, "dormir" denotes the general action of sleeping ("to sleep").
But, if I wanted to say "It is good for you to sleep" = "It is good
that you sleep (now)", I could say:
"… bom dormires" or "… bom que tu durmas"
Here, "dormires" is the personal infinitive (2nd person singular),
which serves as a "reduced" version of the subjunctive "que tu
durmas".

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