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CONLANG  February 2011, Week 2

CONLANG February 2011, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Non-subject relativization strategies

From:

Jörg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 13 Feb 2011 14:09:59 +0100

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Hallp!

On Saturday 12 February 2011 14:54:36 1 2 wrote:
> Good morning,
> 
> I would like to ask some questions about non-subject relativization
> (construction of relative clauses referring to noun phrases which are not
> the subject of the verb inside the relative clause; they are, for
> instance, its object, instrument, place, etc.).
> 
> Just to clarify what I'm trying to say, a subject relativization would be,
> for example:
> English: "This is the man who sells hamburgers."
> Here, "who", referring to "man", is the subject of the verb "sells".
> 
> Now, examples of NON-subject relativization in languages which use relative
> pronouns:
> English: "This is the knife 'with which' I cut the bread."
> Portuguese: "Essa  a faca 'com a qual' eu cortei o po."
> Here, "with which"/"com a qual", referring to "knife"/"faca", is the
> instrument of the verb "cut"/"cortei", and not its subject.
> The examples above use the relative pronoun "which"/"a qual" with the
> preposition "with"/"com".
> In languages with declension, this pronoun would assume a declined form.
> For example, Sanskrit (in ITRANS transliteration scheme, without sandhi):
> yena astram shatrUn hanmi etad asti.
> "This is the weapon (etad asti astram) with which (yena) I kill the enemies
> (shatrUn hanmi)".
> Here "yena" is the Instrumental case of the relative pronoun, rendering the
> meaning of the preposition "with".
> 
> My questions are:
> - What are other possible strategies for non-subject relativization?
> - The examples I gave above are for nominative-accusative languages. How
> would an ergative-absolutive language, for example, render this situation?
> 
> Thank you in advance.

In Old Albic, a relative clause begins with a particle which agrees
with the head in gender, number and case; the clause itself contains
a resumptive pronoun which refers to the head.  The sentence 'This
is the knife with which I cut the bread' is (relative clause in
brackets):

Sa san am ciril [am cerama am bacas tethi].
be-3SG:P this the knife [REL:I-OBJ cut-3SG:P-1SG:A the bread it-INS]

For a headless relative clause (as in 'Who reads this should not
go any further'), a personal pronoun is used as a head:

Nai gasesa phernisin sa [a sangvasa san].
Not go-SBJ-3SG:A far-CMP-ALL he/she-AGT [REL:C-AGT read-3SG:P-3SG:A this]

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