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AUXLANG  February 2011, Week 3

AUXLANG February 2011, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Adding new words to "dead" IALs

From:

Matthew Barnett <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 15 Feb 2011 21:23:13 +0000

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On 15/02/2011 20:38, Stephen Rice wrote:
> On 2/15/11, James Chandler<[log in to unmask]>  wrote:
>
>> I think the distinction here is that neither Esp nor English are "dead"
>> IALs.  Novial, on the other hand, to all intents and purposes, is a "dead"
>> IAL.   The two cases feel different.
>
> That's true. Still, if "authorial intent" is followed, there should be
> no problem, and OJ gave a good idea of how he selected roots. (That's
> why I objected to importing Eo or Ido forms: he never did that for
> regular roots.The only exception I can think of is "ye.") So I feel
> fairly confident about ?gede for "pike," less so about a form for
> "(fish) hook."
>
> This brings up a topic that has generated a number of replies on
> Worldlang: how do you choose divisions between roots? In English, a
> fishhook is a hook; there's no separate root, though you can use the
> compound form. So in Inlis, I'd use (fish-) huk. But something like
> Interlingua would have to acknowledge that its sources generally have
> distinct roots for the two hooks. What about Novial? I'm not sure. It
> makes typically European distinctions (of which this is one), but OJ
> didn't like the multiplication of roots and nuances in Ido, either,
> and this could also be a case in point.
>
Perhaps it's a distinction between a hook for hanging vs a hook for
catching.

Anglo-Saxon had a number of different words for hills of different
shapes, leading to placenames containing "wold" or "weald", the South
Downs, etc.

That reminds me of an article I read about counting. Some languages
have only a few numbers (one, two, many), but it turns out that even
they aren't exact: they're one-ish, two-ish, etc. That's not because
the speakers can't (learn to) count, it's because they don't _need_ to
count (hunter-gathers have little need for it, but people who have
agriculture do have that need).

The article was in the "Eureka" supplement to The Times newspaper, May
2010. I don't know whether it's online anywhere.

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