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CONLANG March 2011, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Whiteboard Script

From:

Josh Roth <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:31:08 +0200

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Almost!

What you read in a couple of places as a resh was acutally a nun :)
Here it is with vowel and dagesh signs ("nikud"):

.אִם תִּתֵּן לִי כֶּסֶף, אֶקְנֶה לְךָ קָפֶה
"If you [will] give me money, I'll buy you a coffee." (future tense, not imperative)

.אִם הָיִיתָ נוֹתֵן לִי כֶּסֶף, הָיִיתִי קוֹנֶה לְךָ קָפֶה
"If you gave me money, I'd buy you a coffee."

The verbal construction used here is be + participle. It can mean "used to", or it can used as a conditional. It's used in both clauses here ... "If you would .... I would...." As in a lot of other languages.

The words in blue on top are:

יָפָה - pretty (fem.)
יְפֵהפִיָּה - very pretty [approx.] (fem.)
יָפֶה - pretty (masc.)
יְפֵהפֶה - very pretty (masc.)

To nitpick - the reduplicated forms are actually written on the board there with the wrong vowel sign - many of the vowel signs are pronounced identically these days, and they're rarely written, so even Israelis mix them up. :)

Josh 
http://jsgx.byethost22.com/

On Mar 14, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Matthew Boutilier wrote:

>> 
>> ok, here's what it says, approximately:
>> 
>> אם תתן לי כסף, אקרה לך קפה
>> 'im tittōn lī kese*p*, 'aqrah la*k* qa*p*eh.
>> if 2ms-give-IMP to-me money, 1s-קרה-IMP to-you coffee
>> 
>> אם היית נותן לי כסף, הייתי קורה לך קפה
>> 'im hayī*t*ā nōtēn lī kese*p*, hayī*t*ī qōreh la*k* qa*p*eh.
>> if 2ms-be-PER give.ing.ms to-me money, 1ms-be-PER קרה.ing.ms<http://xn--8db1bd.ing.ms/>to-you coffee
>> 
>> i don't know modern hebrew too well and can only go from biblical, but no
>> one more qualified has stepped in.
>> 
>> i don't strictly speaking remember what the root Q-R-H (קרה) means - it may
>> be related to Q-R-' "to say/read" (cf arabic قرأ to read, whence qur'an) so
>> were this true it could mean "to order"; the context implies ordering or
>> buying - basically, something you do with money that gets you stuff.
>> 
>> underlining represents post-vocalic non-geminate frication which in the
>> olden days affected /b g d k p t/ but in the major dialect of modern hebrew
>> applies only to /b k p/ (ie > /v x f/).
>> 
>> מזל טוב
>> 
> 
> aaaaand, as MorphemeAddict will remind, my *lak* should be *ləkā*; we know
> the person being addressed is masculine because of the active participles.
> so the interlinear is correct and not the transliteration.
> 
> matt
> 
> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 5:36 AM, Matthew Boutilier <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
>> ok, here's what it says, approximately:
>> 
>> אם תתן לי כסף, אקרה לך קפה
>> 'im tittōn lī kese*p*, 'aqrah la*k* qa*p*eh.
>> if 2ms-give-IMP to-me money, 1s-קרה-IMP to-you coffee
>> 
>> אם היית נותן לי כסף, הייתי קורה לך קפה
>> 'im hayī*t*ā nōtēn lī kese*p*, hayī*t*ī qōreh la*k* qa*p*eh.
>> if 2ms-be-PER give.ing.ms to-me money, 1ms-be-PER קרה.ing.ms<http://xn--8db1bd.ing.ms>to-you coffee
>> 
>> i don't know modern hebrew too well and can only go from biblical, but no
>> one more qualified has stepped in.
>> 
>> i don't strictly speaking remember what the root Q-R-H (קרה) means - it may
>> be related to Q-R-' "to say/read" (cf arabic قرأ to read, whence qur'an) so
>> were this true it could mean "to order"; the context implies ordering or
>> buying - basically, something you do with money that gets you stuff.
>> 
>> underlining represents post-vocalic non-geminate frication which in the
>> olden days affected /b g d k p t/ but in the major dialect of modern hebrew
>> applies only to /b k p/ (ie > /v x f/).
>> 
>> מזל טוב
>> 
>> matt
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 4:53 AM, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <tsela.cg@
>> gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 11 March 2011 22:34, Tony Harris <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Not a question.  It is definitely cursive Hebrew.  I can't read all of
>>> it,
>>>> but can make out many of the letters, and I understand a few words.  The
>>>> marks under letters are vowels.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Agreed. As soon as I saw the picture I thought "cursive Hebrew, without a
>>> doubt". I can't read it, but the shape of the He letter (two concentric
>>> top-right quarter-circles) is a dead give-away, as well as a few other
>>> letters.
>>> 
>>> I am fascinated by cursive scripts (especially those that bear only a
>>> passing resemblance to the printed version), which is why I recognised
>>> this
>>> one immediately :) . It was an easy one. Cursive Greek, on the other hand,
>>> can be difficult to recognise without knowing about it beforehand :) .
>>> --
>>> Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets.
>>> 
>>> http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
>>> http://www.christophoronomicon.nl/
>>> 
>> 
>> 

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