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Subject:

Re: Whiteboard Script

From:

Matthew Boutilier <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 14 Mar 2011 06:59:23 -0400

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great, thanks!  interesting how the morphological tenses serve different
meanings in modern hebrew.  by IMP i meant imperfect, not imperative, but
the point still stands.  it seems i also got some arabic vowels mixed in
there - it's been a while since my hebrew books have seen the light of day.

matt

On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Josh Roth <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Almost!
>
> What you read in a couple of places as a resh was acutally a nun :)
> Here it is with vowel and dagesh signs ("nikud"):
>
> .אִם תִּתֵּן לִי כֶּסֶף, אֶקְנֶה לְךָ קָפֶה
> "If you [will] give me money, I'll buy you a coffee." (future tense, not
> imperative)
>
> .אִם הָיִיתָ נוֹתֵן לִי כֶּסֶף, הָיִיתִי קוֹנֶה לְךָ קָפֶה
> "If you gave me money, I'd buy you a coffee."
>
> The verbal construction used here is be + participle. It can mean "used
> to", or it can used as a conditional. It's used in both clauses here ... "If
> you would .... I would...." As in a lot of other languages.
>
> The words in blue on top are:
>
> יָפָה - pretty (fem.)
> יְפֵהפִיָּה - very pretty [approx.] (fem.)
> יָפֶה - pretty (masc.)
> יְפֵהפֶה - very pretty (masc.)
>
> To nitpick - the reduplicated forms are actually written on the board there
> with the wrong vowel sign - many of the vowel signs are pronounced
> identically these days, and they're rarely written, so even Israelis mix
> them up. :)
>
> Josh
> http://jsgx.byethost22.com/
>
> On Mar 14, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Matthew Boutilier wrote:
>
> >>
> >> ok, here's what it says, approximately:
> >>
> >> אם תתן לי כסף, אקרה לך קפה
> >> 'im tittōn lī kese*p*, 'aqrah la*k* qa*p*eh.
> >> if 2ms-give-IMP to-me money, 1s-קרה-IMP to-you coffee
> >>
> >> אם היית נותן לי כסף, הייתי קורה לך קפה
> >> 'im hayī*t*ā nōtēn lī kese*p*, hayī*t*ī qōreh la*k* qa*p*eh.
> >> if 2ms-be-PER give.ing.ms to-me money, 1ms-be-PER קרה.ing.ms<http://xn--8db1bd.ing.ms>
> <http://xn--8db1bd.ing.ms/>to-you coffee
> >>
> >> i don't know modern hebrew too well and can only go from biblical, but
> no
> >> one more qualified has stepped in.
> >>
> >> i don't strictly speaking remember what the root Q-R-H (קרה) means - it
> may
> >> be related to Q-R-' "to say/read" (cf arabic قرأ to read, whence qur'an)
> so
> >> were this true it could mean "to order"; the context implies ordering or
> >> buying - basically, something you do with money that gets you stuff.
> >>
> >> underlining represents post-vocalic non-geminate frication which in the
> >> olden days affected /b g d k p t/ but in the major dialect of modern
> hebrew
> >> applies only to /b k p/ (ie > /v x f/).
> >>
> >> מזל טוב
> >>
> >
> > aaaaand, as MorphemeAddict will remind, my *lak* should be *ləkā*; we
> know
> > the person being addressed is masculine because of the active
> participles.
> > so the interlinear is correct and not the transliteration.
> >
> > matt
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 5:36 AM, Matthew Boutilier <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> ok, here's what it says, approximately:
> >>
> >> אם תתן לי כסף, אקרה לך קפה
> >> 'im tittōn lī kese*p*, 'aqrah la*k* qa*p*eh.
> >> if 2ms-give-IMP to-me money, 1s-קרה-IMP to-you coffee
> >>
> >> אם היית נותן לי כסף, הייתי קורה לך קפה
> >> 'im hayī*t*ā nōtēn lī kese*p*, hayī*t*ī qōreh la*k* qa*p*eh.
> >> if 2ms-be-PER give.ing.ms to-me money, 1ms-be-PER קרה.ing.ms<http://xn--8db1bd.ing.ms>
> <http://xn--8db1bd.ing.ms>to-you coffee
> >>
> >> i don't know modern hebrew too well and can only go from biblical, but
> no
> >> one more qualified has stepped in.
> >>
> >> i don't strictly speaking remember what the root Q-R-H (קרה) means - it
> may
> >> be related to Q-R-' "to say/read" (cf arabic قرأ to read, whence qur'an)
> so
> >> were this true it could mean "to order"; the context implies ordering or
> >> buying - basically, something you do with money that gets you stuff.
> >>
> >> underlining represents post-vocalic non-geminate frication which in the
> >> olden days affected /b g d k p t/ but in the major dialect of modern
> hebrew
> >> applies only to /b k p/ (ie > /v x f/).
> >>
> >> מזל טוב
> >>
> >> matt
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 4:53 AM, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets <
> tsela.cg@
> >> gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 11 March 2011 22:34, Tony Harris <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Not a question.  It is definitely cursive Hebrew.  I can't read all of
> >>> it,
> >>>> but can make out many of the letters, and I understand a few words.
>  The
> >>>> marks under letters are vowels.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Agreed. As soon as I saw the picture I thought "cursive Hebrew, without
> a
> >>> doubt". I can't read it, but the shape of the He letter (two concentric
> >>> top-right quarter-circles) is a dead give-away, as well as a few other
> >>> letters.
> >>>
> >>> I am fascinated by cursive scripts (especially those that bear only a
> >>> passing resemblance to the printed version), which is why I recognised
> >>> this
> >>> one immediately :) . It was an easy one. Cursive Greek, on the other
> hand,
> >>> can be difficult to recognise without knowing about it beforehand :) .
> >>> --
> >>> Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets.
> >>>
> >>> http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
> >>> http://www.christophoronomicon.nl/
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>

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