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CONLANG  March 2011, Week 2

CONLANG March 2011, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Translation exercise!

From:

Zach Wellstood <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 14 Mar 2011 07:35:42 -0400

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I signed up for the Conlang list and originally wasn't sure what the first
email in this chain meant, but as I see more people responding to it, I
think I get it. So, I'll respond for the first time, though I don't know if
I'm supposed to...

P(re)S: Sorry for the wall of text.

http://conlangers.freeforums.org/l-aa-siri-f65.html [under construction...]
In L̥aá Siri:
(SENT. = sentient; INANIM = inanimate; PROX. = proximity)

*Love People. Cook them tasty food.*
tḷasiyaá lir'a li'iraayĩsá. lir'a ḷaasi'iraa'ira saliya,
saliyalayaa saryalilί tl̥asa sii‘ĩr li'iraatl̥ará ya'.
all-SENT. wish PROX.-PROX.-EVID.-respect wish PROX.-PROX.-EVID.-make eat,
eat-INANIM. good.taste-ADJ. to {all-SENT.} PROX.-PROX.-EVID.-give be at.

One should respect all sentients as peers. One should cook for them, give
delicious food to them.

*Words: *
*tḷasiya - everything; all *
*-a*á - marks sentient gender
lir'a - usually means "wish; hope; wonder," but acts as "should" in this
construction
li'- - proximity marker that signifies that the subject is something that
doesn't really exist (and thus has no proximity?)
-'i- - proximity marker that does the same thing as li', but represents the
object
-raa- - evidentiality marker that indicates something is speculative (is
used in this construction with *lir'a* to mean "should __")
-yĩsá - a verb that means "respect; respect as a peer; like as a peer"
ḷaasi- - proximity marker that indicates the subject as someone who is not
present, but is being discussed (L̥aá Siri lacks personal pronouns, so
things get sketchy)
-'ira - a verb that means "make," but can be serialized with another verb to
mean "make [derive noun from verb]"
saliya - eat (together with 'ira -> "make eats (food)")
saryali - uninflected descriptive word that means "good eat" or "delicious"
-lί - when inflected on an adjective, it turns it into a descriptive word!
(like all adjectives are in English)
tl̥asa - to
sii‘ĩr - a previously mentioned topic of discussion (in this case, all of
the people, everyone)
-tl̥ará - verb that means "give without malintent"
ya' - verb that means "be at," which is used with *tl̥asa *to show that the
food is being given to the "everyone"

*Love people. Cook them. Tasty! Food! *
*tḷasiyaá lir'a li'iraayĩsá liyiy*ár 'i'aa sii‘ĩr *ḷaasi'iraa'ira saliya,
liyiya *sii‘ĩr saliyalayaa saryalilί sa!* *
*all-SENT. should PROX.-PROX.-EVID.-respect because if {all-SENT.}
PROX.-PROX.-EVID.-make cook, then {all.SENT.} cook-INANIM. delicious-ADJ.
PART.! *
*
*
One should respect all sentients because, if they are cooked, they are tasty
food.

The first three words are the same as in the former translation.
liyiyár - then it is thus; because
'i'aa - if
The next three words (and their affixes) are in the other translation.
liyiya - then
saliya - verb meaning "eat"
-layaa - marker of the inanimate gender; used here as a derivative affix to
make "eat" into "food" (e.g., "good eats (food)")
sa - exclamatory or emphatic particle that carries absolutely no meaning,
other than to make a point.

And now, I spare you an unbearably longer wall of text; I won't translate it
into my other conlang.

~ Zach Wellstood

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Amanda Babcock Furrow
<[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> I've been meaning to put out this translation exercise ever since Penzey's
> sent my husband the bumper sticker he couldn't resist "fixing" - from
> "Love people.  Cook them tasty food." to "Love people.  Cook them.  Tasty!
> Food!"
>
> So, the exercise is: show us how different these two sentences are IYCL!
>
> In merechi (phonetically in CXS, to spare you the orthography):
>
>  'a pe'amank it'faKepfo. 'lomik lesiti'fapi 'tevin Seruki'daKpfo!
>
>  'a pe'amank it'faKepfo.  'tek Seruki'daKpfo.  lesiti'fapte!  'lomisopte!
>
> 1st translation, 1st sentence:
>
> 'a ... it- : polite command or wish
> pe'ama : person
> -n : plural
> -k : accusative
> 'faKe : optative of 'fale, to love
> -p : imperfective
> -fo : 2nd person plural agreement ending
>
> 1st translation, 2nd sentence (new morphemes):
>
> 'lomi : food
> lesiti'fa : to be tasty (from le, the happiness prefix, plus siti'fa, the
>  passive voice of 'siti, to taste)
> -pi : participial ending
> 'te : 3rd person plural
> -vin : benefactive postposition
> Seruki'da : to roast
> -K- : optative
>
> 2nd translation, 3rd sentence new morpheme:
>
> -te : 3rd person plural agreement ending
>
> 2nd translation, 4th sentence new morpheme:
>
> 'lomiso : to be food, from 'lomi and -so
>
> Sorry for the lack of interlinears... it's Daylight Savings Time Eve here
> so I've got to go.
>
> tylakčhlpė'fö,
> Amanda
>

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