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AUXLANG  March 2011, Week 3

AUXLANG March 2011, Week 3

Subject:

Re: "Esperanto-parolantoj en la mondo"

From:

Stephen Rice <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 17 Mar 2011 11:39:46 -0600

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On 3/16/11, Jerry Muelver <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Todd Moody's recent summary of the failure of any auxiliary language
> to conquer the world deserves some extended contemplation, I think. He
> said, "Esperanto doesn't need testing, and neither do Ido or
> Interlingua, for that matter. They have all been amply demonstrated to
> be fully functional languages. Their problem is not that they need
> further testing and development. Their problem is that hardly anybody
> is interested in any of them, or in the problem that they purport to
> solve."
>
> What resonates with me is the final clause, "... or in the problem
> that they purport to solve." I was captivated by Esperanto in the
> 1950's when I was a high school student determine to obliterate
> suffering around the world by winning the Babel battle and uniting
> mankind with a common language. However, the world has changed, and
> technology has now outstripped my utopian dreams.

I don't think I ever thought a global auxiliary would usher in the
Millennium. It would have little effect on poverty or war.

> Language is losing relevance as an obstacle to commerce and
> understanding. Google "Translate", still a fledgling but already
> flying well, provides a workable solution to understanding information
> written in an unfamiliar language. The temporary ascendency of English
> to global "Lingua Franca" (odd phrase for "world language") status is
> now being challenged by, and is ultimately to be surpassed by,
> Chinese. It doesn't matter -- just hit the "Translate" button.

As Risto has observed, the "Translate" button isn't always enough. I
will admit that comparatively few people *need* an auxlang, though it
might eventually be perceived as a need, but that just makes the
target demographic narrower and easier to reach.

As to China/Chinese, no. Historically, the "Yellow Peril" idea (the
Asians will inundate the West) has been popular at times, but it
hasn't worked out. It's true that more people are taking Chinese, and
China is in a position of power, but it also has problems that will at
least hamper it. Remember how enduring the Soviet Union seemed even in
the eighties!

Nor is English-language hegemony a recent or transitory phenomenon: I
could document from nineteenth-century works that it was even then
finding international use, though French was better publicized.
English has built connections beyond anything known in history--well
beyond Latin, French, Greek or Aramaic. And unlike a country, which
can disappear overnight, a well-established language will keep going.
If Britain, the US, and Australia all suddenly disappeared, English
would continue to be used for at least a generation, because it's the
language the important people already know--including the Chinese.

> I think Ido is a marvelous improvement on Esperanto, and shifted from
> Esperanto to Ido at the beginnng of this century to pursue my childish
> dreams of world domination. However, while I enjoy the language and
> admire its power and clarity, I find myself increasingly uncomfortable
> with Ido's Euro-centricity and the rigid hierarchical structure of the
> official Ido "movement". The similar history of Volapuk, Esperanto,
> Ido, and all the other European auxlangs has convinced me that I can
> no longer support the notion that any natural-language rooted
> constructed language can achieve widespread acceptance and commercial
> application.

Too hasty. You're just about to suggest the basis of a workable solution.

> That leaves me with English, my native tongue, which is obnoxiously
> difficult to learn as an L2, and notoriously mangled and misued as an
> L1, as the default choice for global communication. The world of
> constructed languages then becomes the domain of the hobbyist, the
> artist, the over-intellectualized dilettante and linguistic dabbler,
> like the happy weaver and contented potter whose products cannot, and
> do not pretend to, compete with commercial manufacturing.

Back up: the current choice is hard to learn and gets mangled a lot.
So why not salvage it by adopting a simplified version of the
vocabulary and grammar--the things people will recognize even if they
don't feel comfortable actively using English. This angloclone
approach may involve a regular auxlang (such as my own Inlis project)
or a composite creole of the sort Risto and I were talking about. In
either case, it wouldn't be like Basic English, which is supposed to
help people learn regular English; rather, it would be an independent
language designed to be foreign to everyone--accessible to all,
dominated by none.

Steve

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