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AUXLANG  March 2011, Week 3

AUXLANG March 2011, Week 3

Subject:

Re: "Esperanto-parolantoj en la mondo"

From:

Stephen Rice <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:20:12 -0600

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On 3/15/11, Risto Kupsala <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Steve Rice wrote:
>> But if you want to try something different, why not check into an
>> angloclone? I intend Inlis as a universal foreign English, and it's
>> very unlike English at a deep level, but I could produce a simplified
>> English that really is a form of English. I just think it would be
>> harder to learn and use. Still, you could try your luck: merge Tok
>> Pisin, Bislama, and a few others (they're already quite close), and
>> simplify some of the irregularities. The result would be accessible,
>> intelligible, and easy for most people who really need an auxlang.
>> I've considered doing it myself.
>
> If English based pidgins can really be merged, that would mean that the
> pre-existing user base is counted in millions maybe even in tens of
> millions, depending which pidgins can be merged. If there are enough
> similarities in key areas, the current pidgins could be even considered as
> dialects of the world pidgin. Imagine, world pidgin which is already
> spoken in the Caribbean, West Africa and South East Asia! Wow!
>
> Maybe the ingredients of the next world language are already in place.
> Someone just should put them together.
>
I'm not saying it would be easy, but a compromise could probably be
achieved. It would even be a worldlang of sorts: it would be English
as filtered through various non-IE substrates, as global a language as
one might want.

The quickest, easiest method would be to start with Tok Pisin (the
largest, most stable English-based creole) and tweak it toward the
others. Or you could compare the various EBCs in terms of phonoloogy,
grammar, and vocabulary--I tried that a while ago, but a lot of
details aren't readily available online.

Still, if someone would like to pursue the matter, we could form a
group for the purpose. Just remember that creoles are natlangs--they
have the usual random quirks that a properly designed auxlang should
eliminate. Redesign TP (or a compromise EBC) as a proper auxlang, and
you're about done. Since TP has, apparently, even more users than Eo
(though James may dispute this as well), with newspapers and other
corpus vehicles, a lot of vocabulary and usage problems would resolve
themselves. Just check the news to see how a new term is translated.

Anyway, I'd be willing to pursue a designed EBC if anyone else is.

Steve

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