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CONLANG  March 2011, Week 3

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Re: Phonology: Initial glottal stop + stop

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John Vertical <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:40:21 -0400

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On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 00:19:47 -0500, Eric Christopherson wrote:

>Are there any natlangs with words with initial glottal stop followed by a stop?
>
>I'm trying to figure out if it's even possible. If I try pronouncing [?ta]
I end up (I think) producing a glottal stop, then a period of voicing (as if
I were pronouncing [d::]), and then [ta].
>
>I guess that's actually sort of convenient, because in later stages of this
lang I've been wanting to have a sound change of [?]+stop > stop[+voice],
and the fact that there seems to be voicing before the release makes this
seem plausible, at least initially. However, I really don't like the sound
of [?]+voicing+[t]. (I also don't like implosives, but that might be a
logical transformation too.)

There is indeed an analysis of Vietnamese (and probably some of the other
languages in the region as well) by which [ɓ ɗ] would actually be clusters
/ʔp ʔt/.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_phonology

Going from [ɓ ɗ] to [b d] should be easy, even tho I can't think of examples
at the moment.

I imagine a straight [ʔt] would not be attested. If you're getting voicing,
that's probably something like [ʔət] (perhaps with creaky voice or something
on the shwa). I imagine that'd prompt an analysis as /(ʔ)ət/ rather than an
onset cluster.

Me tho, attempting /ʔt-/ I tend to get not voicing but an "anti-implosiv" —
a class of sound that seems not to turn up in natlangs (or con-) but is
well-attested from beatboxing as a bass drum imitation:
1) glottal closure
2) oral closure
3) lowering of glottis
4) glottal release
5) oral release.

(Switch 4 & 5 and you have an imposiv. Additionally change 4) to raising and
you have an ejectiv. Switching 1 & 2 does not seem to make much difference.)

John Vertical

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