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CONLANG  March 2011, Week 4

CONLANG March 2011, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Conlang Romanization Help Needed: Take 2!

From:

Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 28 Mar 2011 08:52:44 -0700

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--- On Mon, 3/28/11, Michael Everson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: Michael Everson <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [CONLANG] Conlang Romanization Help Needed: Take 2!
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 5:37 AM
> On 27 Mar 2011, at 22:31, Padraic
> Brown wrote:
> 
> > And for the most part, all those circumflexes and
> accent marks are 
> > meaningless to most readers of the books.
> 
> So? Cater not to the lowest common denominator. As long as
> the words are readable to the "most readers" but still
> accurate for the "some readers" then the "some readers" are
> not starved of a linguistic feast.

Ask for an opinion, get an opinion!

I'm not saying it has to be done this way or that.

> >> A chapter on spelling and pronunciation is always
> welcome. :-) C. J. Cherryh uses it. Le Guin has. Tolkien
> did. 
> > 
> > Agreed. This puts all the linguistic burden into a
> separate place away from the main narrative. If it includes
> some interesting bits of history and culture as well, then
> so much the better for those who decide to read it!
> 
> But of course.
> 
> >>> The language is going to be alien enough to an
> average English-speaker. In order to make it at least
> silently readable, I'd suggest that the romanization be
> systematic, transparent, and not necessarily faithful (e.g.
> I think it'd be better not to write the glottal stops than
> to represent it with something unintuitive).
> >> 
> >> I'd opt for faithful. I've got a wee contribution
> about this which I'll put in another thread.
> > 
> > I'd go with readable, given the purpose of this
> romanisation. "Faithful" could mean just about anything from
> marginally readable to horrifically illegible, depending on
> how faithful it is to the language's phonology!
> 
> One hopes the author will do a good job. And by "faithful"
> I mean accurate. There's enough shite in the world without
> conlangers deciding to dumb stuff down for "the average
> reader" (whoever that is)!

"Accurate" can give the same results as "faithful". Too much of either
can be be bad. It will be a matter of whch way he wants to balance the
story.

The "average reader", by the way, is the person who's going to plunk down 
$10 to $15 to buy the book. If the publisher thinks the book is too full 
of gibberish for this "average reader" it might not get a look.

Sure, the author can do as he damn well pleases. The book never has to see
the light of day!

> > My philosophy is that the author should not burden the
> reader with the mechanics of his subcreated world, and that
> includes how the conlangs work.
> 
> The author should do as he damn well pleases. 
> 
> > The average reader should be able to recognise the
> conlang as foreign and have a sporting go at reading the
> foreign words without being taxed by a topheavy romanisation
> scheme and without having to slog through acres of foreign
> text. In other words, he should get a good taste of it
> > without having to commit to a whole meal.
> 
> I dunno. The Left Hand of Darkness is light on the
> linguistics, but it's deep in there. 

That's fine.

> Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/

Padraic
---
Qouen loucariam! ica vindere al suan pneumam niscam enccanemôn en al
icaica anouram an; orimdê eiodipositare al enccanemôn qouem, ica forato 
itan, meita qouemver etra; etti ica sa laptato al suan pneumam. Men dê 
semoudat al narsas qouis, ica accoreire al suan pneumam; etti ica perfere 
pro al ican per empodoc pro al icaica anouram per.

What a businessman! he sells his soul in exchange for everything in this 
world; then he will leave everything which, he bought it, with somewhom 
else; and he himself-ruined his soul. But truly blessed the man who, he 
saved his soul; and he prefers it in place of this world.

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