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CONLANG March 2011, Week 4

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Re: Naming Cases

From:

Eric Christopherson <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 25 Mar 2011 00:49:04 -0500

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On Mar 24, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets wrote:

> On 24 March 2011 11:40, Matthew Boutilier <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
>> in semitic languages that inflect for case (modern standard arabic,
>> akkadian, etc.), there is always a nominative, accusative, and genitive.
>> the first two make perfect sense given how they function but the genitive
>> usually has nothing to do with possession; rather it's basically like the
>> OE
>> prepositional usage of the dative.  i've always found this pretty bizarre.
>> linguists could use a lesson or two from the more innovative conlangers
>> with
>> regard to case naming.
>> 
>> 
> Not completely true: the way I learned Modern Standard Arabic, the genitive
> *does* mark possession: the possessor(s) in the status constructus formation
> must be in the genitive. It's just usually invisible because the possessor
> is often followed by a pause, and the genitive ending ends up unpronounced.
> 
> But cases in MSA are weird things. The subject of a clause introduced by
> 'inna and its sisters (a class of subordinating conjunctions) must be in the
> accusative, for instance. This inspired me so much I stole it when I created
> Reman. Reman is a Romance conlang that lost a lot of Romance features (no
> gender, an invariable definite article, no indefinite article, invariable
> adjectives, no copula). In particular, in Reman prepositions and
> conjunctions merged in one category, and subclauses must start with an overt
> subject that, if it's a pronoun, must be in its object form :) .

I've thought about doing things like that, with my inspiration being the usage in a few English speakers I've encountered of "I'd rather _him_ hear it from me" rather that "... he ...". Another inspiration was that, in my speech at least, the word _let_ often drops off (or nearly so, perhaps just leaving a /t/ behind) when I say things like "Let me check" -- resulting in weird things like "Me chéck!" So I figure subjunctives could use the accusative in some language.

> 
> I like doing weird things with cases. Moten has the usual suspects
> (nominative, accusative and genitive), but those are used also spatially (as
> an essive, lative and delative respectively) and temporally (to indicate
> time, duration and frequency respectively). It also has prefixes for other
> functions (benefactive, originative, instrumental, final and causative) but
> those are not considered cases. And as I indicated in a post to another
> thread, the nominative is only used for the subject of an intransitive verb
> or the active subject of a transitive verb. The experiencing subject of a
> transitive verb must use the instrumental prefix.
> 
> It's fun to use cases in idiosyncratic ways :) .
> -- 
> Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets.
> 
> http://christophoronomicon.blogspot.com/
> http://www.christophoronomicon.nl/

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