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CONLANG  March 2011, Week 5

CONLANG March 2011, Week 5

Subject:

Re: CHAT James (was: Etymological tangent)

From:

Matthew Boutilier <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:30:23 -0400

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quoting Eugene Oh:

> Were you thinking of the vowel height differences?
>

now that's a possibility.  but then again,
Lat *focus* > Fr *feu*

but then again,
Lat *lacus* > Fr *lac

*the latter example seems to approximate the vowel conditions of Iacomus the
best, although stress could have something to do with it?  perhaps

quoting R A Brown:

> the shift of stress from penultimate to antepenultimate is due to
> contemporary Greek change of pitch to stress word accent
>
*
... *but i'm not sure whether that helps us.
*
*quoting Adam Walker:

> Not with the splitting alergy headache I currently have.
>

sorry to hear about that.  there are worse temporary reliefs than
conlanging, i'm sure.

matt

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Matthew Boutilier <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> this must have been a regular change.  cf:
> /k/  Lat *dīcere* > Fr *dire* "to say"
> /g/  Lat *magis* > Fr *mais *"greater/rather > but"
> /t/  Lat *rota* > Fr *roue* "wheel"
> /d/  Lat *rīdēre* > Fr *rire* "to laugh"
>
> i'm having trouble finding labial instances; perhaps they were unaffected?
> shortly put, if you want your stop consonants protected, do not leave them
> with the french.
>
> matt
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Matthew Boutilier <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
>> But that's the step in the process that doesn't seem well explained.
>>> How/why did a whole syllable drop from the middle in OF.  I have no
>>> problem
>>> whatsoever with English James coming from OF Jaimes, nor any problem with
>>> the change from Ya'aqov to Jacomu.  It's the leap from Jacomu to Jaimes
>>> that
>>> is weird.
>>>
>>
>> my last name, Boutilier, is from OF Bouteillier and ultimately L.Latin
>> Buti*c*ularius (bottle-carrier); dropping intervocalic consonants is what
>> OF does best.
>>
>> matt
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Adam Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 9:19 AM, R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Jacomu- appeared in Old French as:
>>> > Nominative: Ja(i)mes
>>> >   Oblique: Jaime
>>> >
>>> > But that's the step in the process that doesn't seem well explained.
>>> How/why did a whole syllable drop from the middle in OF.  I have no
>>> problem
>>> whatsoever with English James coming from OF Jaimes, nor any problem with
>>> the change from Ya'aqov to Jacomu.  It's the leap from Jacomu to Jaimes
>>> that
>>> is weird.
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>
>>
>

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