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Re: Etymological tangent

From:

Renato Montes <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 28 Mar 2011 22:34:27 -0700

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> > cf. Sp. *Diego*
> >
> *
> *i did some further reading and there's a theory that [Sanctus]+Iaco(mo) >
> Santiago, whence through backformation *Tiago > Diego.  the form Tiago seems
> hella dubious, since AFAIK there was never a voicing of initial stops in
> spanish (cf. Lat *tenes* > Sp *tienes*) - though i'm no expert on spanish.
> but Iacomus > Gemmes (whence James?) and Giacomo appear solid.
> 
> if anyone knows about the spanish reflex of word-initial /j/ in latin, feel
> free to contribute.
> 
> matt

In word-initial position it generally either became /ʝ/ or was dropped:

iam /jam/ > ya /ʝa/, iacēre /jakeːrɛ/ > yacer /ʝaθeɾ/;
ianuārius /janʊaːrɪʊs/ > enero /eneɾo/, ieiūnāre /jɛjːuːnaːrɛ/ > ayunar /aʝunaɾ/.

Penny in "A History of the Spanish Language" explains the second group of words
as dropping the Lat. /j/ due to an interpretation as an unstressed V.Lat. /ɛ/, a phoneme
that eventually developed [eɛ]>[iɛ]>[ie] in stressed syllables and [ɛ]>[e] in unstressed syllables.

Any evolution to Old Spanish /ʒ/ and therefore Mod. Sp. /x/, is explained as
being either a borrowing from Latin or having a pronunciation influenced by it.

iustificāre > justificar /xustifikaɾ/
iūdicāre /juːdɪkaːrɛ/ > juzgar /xuθgaɾ/
iūrāre /juːraːrɛ/ > jurar /xuɾaɾ/
iūnctum /juːnktʊm/ > junto /xunto/

> Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 20:29:06 -0400
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Etymological tangent
> To: [log in to unmask]
> 
> >
> > cf. Sp. *Diego*
> >
> *
> *i did some further reading and there's a theory that [Sanctus]+Iaco(mo) >
> Santiago, whence through backformation *Tiago > Diego.  the form Tiago seems
> hella dubious, since AFAIK there was never a voicing of initial stops in
> spanish (cf. Lat *tenes* > Sp *tienes*) - though i'm no expert on spanish.
> but Iacomus > Gemmes (whence James?) and Giacomo appear solid.
> 
> if anyone knows about the spanish reflex of word-initial /j/ in latin, feel
> free to contribute.
> 
> matt
> 
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Matthew Boutilier <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> > Late Latin *Iacomus* apparently became French *Gemmes*, probably through
> > the same consonant loss that produced *Pierre* from *Petrus*.  For other
> > reflexes of Iacomus, cf. Sp. *Diego* (which I suppose lost the *-mo* and
> > of course /k/ was voiced) and It. *Giacomo* which more clearly reflects
> > Iacomus).
> >
> > sources: l'internet
> >
> > matt
 		 	   		  

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