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CONLANG  March 2011, Week 5

CONLANG March 2011, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Etymological tangent

From:

BPJ <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:43:59 +0200

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2011-03-29 01:37, Garth Wallace skrev:
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Adam Walker<[log in to unmask]>  wrote:
>> Okay, I'm in a very weird conversation with someone from another list who is
>> about as goofy with their linguistics as any
>> Etruscan-was-the-Ursprach-of-the-original-Ancient-Atronauts-who-populated-Atlantis
>> teorist out there.  This person has been busily explaining the "real"
>> meaning of Carraxan to me, but just diverged for a moment to tell me the
>> "real" meaning of James.  You see I can't possibly be derived from Jacob
>> because they don't look the same.  I know this person is just as wrong about
>> this derivation as they are about that of Carraxan, but is there anyone here
>> who actually knows the accepted path of sound changes and language hand-offs
>> from Ya'akov to James?  I know there is a Greek form involved in there and
>> wouldn't doubt Latin and French getting into the mix, but I'd like to have
>> the facts.  Thankees in advance.
>
> According to Wikipedia (which doesn't cite a source for this):
>
> | The name came into English language from the French variation of the
> late Latin
> | name, Iacomus; a dialect variant of Iacobus, from the New Testament
> Greek Ἰάκωβος
> | (Iákōbos), from Hebrew word יעקב (Yaʻaqov). The development Iacobus
>> Iacomus is
> | likely a result of nasalization of the o and assimilation to the
> following b (i.e.,
> | intermediate *Iacombus) followed by simplification of the cluster mb
> through loss of
> | the b.
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_(name)>

*Iacombus may derive from a late Koiné attempt to spell
/b/ rather than /v/, though whoever did it must have been
even more ignorant of Hebrew than I am! ;-) Cf. _sambaton_
for _sabbaton_, <http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Sabbath>
though there a Greek folk etymology may be involved.
There is also a variant _Jacopomus_, which supports
my hypothesis, since /mb/ and /mp/ merged as [mb]
in late Koiné. In modern Greek the nasal may be
facultatively lost, giving [b] and [mb] as alternative
realizations of /mp/ (or perhaps an /mb)/ phoneme),
but I don't know how old that is.

/bpj

P.S. Adam, just ignore the crackpots!  I suppose you
have pointed out that since you *made* Carrajena you
and only you know best what it means?

/bp (Just waiting for the day when someone comes along
and claims Maerik is really the pre-Germanic language of
southern Scandinavia...)

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