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CONLANG  March 2011, Week 5

CONLANG March 2011, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Redeeming an amateur conlang phonology and orthography

From:

Nikolay Ivankov <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:01:23 +0200

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Ok, I see. Thanks for explanation. I'm unfamiliar with the text, so my
conclusions are of course too premature.

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Michael Everson <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> On 30 Mar 2011, at 16:40, Nikolay Ivankov wrote:
>
> > Btw, ķ stands for palatalized "t" in Latvian,
>
> I know that, of course.
>
> > so _ŧķ_ may represent a genuine [s] sound, caricaturizing sh, ch, th and
> so on.
>
> Well, first, I can't see how [þkʲ] yields [s], nor what you mean by
> "charicaturize", but as I said, the author's original offerings were letters
> (i.e. Alotk) to which he added diacritics just for show. He said [ˈaˑlotk];
> I changed it (with permission) to Áloþk [ˈaˑloθk].
>
> > As to ł in Polish, it is no way pronounced like [w] - it is a dental l,
> common for, say,
> > Spanish and Russians.
>
> I disagree with your assertion, as I do not believe it is correct. The
> dental/alveolar l in Polish is <l>; the velar [ɫ] is found in only a few
> Polish dialects, but in Standard Polish has vocalized entirely to [w]. Łódź
> is [wut​ɕ].
>
> > And the letter l in Polish stands for aveloar l, like the English one. So
> I presume that Ałǒŧķ sounds like Alice, with only the way the word is
> written made to look as weird as possible.
>
> Sorry, but your presumption does not reflect the initial intention of the
> author. Byron had no idea what the phonetic value of ł or ŧ or ķ was. Of
> course Ałǒŧķ (and Áloþk) resembles Alice in the initial syllable, but that's
> it.
>
> Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/
>

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