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CONLANG  April 2011, Week 1

CONLANG April 2011, Week 1

Subject:

Re: Development of pronouns from Indo-Uralic to Albic

From:

Jörg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 3 Apr 2011 22:02:58 +0200

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Hallo!

On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 11:26:22 -0700, David Peterson wrote:

> On Apr 3, 2011, at 9◊57 AM, Jörg Rhiemeier wrote:
> 
> > The Proto-Hesperic pronouns are similar to those of Proto-Europic.
> > In West Hesperic, the syllable rimes *-Vx and *-Vs become *-u and
> > *-i, repsectively, giving the paradigms:
> 
> This is quite an interesting sound change! And this happened regardless of 
> the vowel?

Yes.

>       And was their an intermediate step where the coda consonants were 
> lost? Perhaps something like:
> 
> (1) *-Vx > *-ux; *-Vs > *-is
> 
> (2) *-Vx, *-Vs > *-Vh
> 
> (3) *-Vh > -V

A possible pathway.  I was rather thinking of the fricative becoming
an offglide, and then the resulting diphthongs monophthongized with
the offglide determining the vowel quality, but your pathway makes
just as much sense.

> I guess it makes sense, since [x] is what you get if you devoice [u] and 
> push the tongue dorsum up towards the soft palate a bit more.

Yes.

> *-Vs resulting in [i] is a bit of a mystery to me, but I guess the 
> production of [s] forces the tongue into a shape that's conducive to the 
> production of [i] (tongue body's flat if the tip's at the alveolar ridge, 
> and pushing it up a bit further could result in a configuration much like 
> [i]). Though I wonder: Did lip rounding accompany the production of [x], and 
> spread lips accompany the production of [s]? That would make all this make a 
> bit more sense.

This may have been the case.  With Vs > i, I was thinking of the
high formant of [s] being conducive to vocalization as [i].

In Uralic, there are two plural markers, *-t and *-i, of which
the latter occurs where something else follows it, and it may
be that a similar lenition process *t > *s > *i has happened
here.

> Very neat series of changes, though!

Thanks!

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