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CONLANG  April 2011, Week 1

CONLANG April 2011, Week 1

Subject:

Re: A translation exercise.

From:

Samuel Stutter <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 3 Apr 2011 16:30:47 +0100

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Ooh; a rare attempt to let fly with three of the several "wanting"  
verbal moods in Nauspayr:

Precative = I attempt to make so
Desiderative = I would like something
Cohortative = I intend to effect a change in the other party

Horrible moment halfway through when I realised I was confusing my  
conditional and subjunctive moods. In terms of nouns though, not so  
horrifying. Also a surprising number of palatal fricatives and regular  
verbs.

“Khenauded khi ghretòstad plù, yutyana, khoghè amhì?”
“Yà amhì, kho? Pa khenetra pauyen khela fòrerrpae, dhùs pàwen  
khenòschà khela fòrerrpae et; plù pàwen pa khenéthè pauyen khela  
fòrerrash, táur, khoghè mann ghretelhun fyevharpae taela?"

know(1stSing)(PresentStill)(Desiderative) who(Nominative) stop(Y-Sing) 
(HodiernalPast)(Cohortative) and moreover why(Dative) (politeness  
marker)
Yes(normal) (politeness marker) who (Not) know(1stPluInc)(PresentStill) 
(Conditional) (Nothing) what(Accusative) do(1stPluInc)(PresentStill) 
(Subjunctive)+(Continuative) thus (No-one) know(Y-Plu)(PresentStill) 
(Subjunctive) what(Accusative) do(1stPluInc)(PresentStill)(Subjunctive) 
+(Continuative) also and (No-one) (Not) know(Y-Plu)(PresentStill) 
(Conditional) (Nothing) what(Accusative) do(1stPluInc)(PresentStill) 
(Subjunctive)+(Prospective), (FILL) why(Dative) someone stop(Y-Sing) 
(PresentStill)(Precative) do(1stPluInc)(PresentStill)(Interrogative)+ 
(Continuative) it(Accusative)

"I would like to know who wanted to have us stopped today and,  
moreover, why?"
"Yes, why? If we don't know what we are doing, so no-one knows what we  
are doing also; and if no-one knows what we are going to do, well...,  
why is someone trying to stop us doing it?"

Much easier in Caçienne:

"M'eciege çienne cien eciege retàrd nette, e, èlleur, ¿fyà?"
"Foue, ¿fyà? At nè n'ucillege pas cie nè fèala, rill'éciege cie  
nè fèala; e at rill'ucillege cie nè fèaèra, là, ¿fyà  
comm'atempta retàrd nè fàa bette?"

I want know who want stop us(ACC) and moreover why
Yes why if NEG we know(COND) NEG what we do(SUBJ)+(CONT) no-one  
know(SUBJ) what we do(SUBJ)+(CONT) and no-one know(COND) what we  
do(SUBJ)+(Nr.FUTURE)+(CONT) FILL why someone try stop us do it(ACC)

Do hope you feel better soon :)


On 3 Apr 2011, at 03:05, Sylvia Sotomayor wrote:

> So, I am feeling a bit poorly today and am therefore entertaining
> myself by rereading some of my favorite books. While doing so I came
> upon a passage that just begged to be translated. Here it is, slightly
> modified to hide who is speaking (because then you could google the
> name and know which book I'm reading, not that I'm really hiding it
> from anyone who recognizes the passage or the style anyway):
>
> "I wish to know who it is who wishes us stopped, and moreover, why?"
>
> "Yes, why? For, if we do not know what we are doing, then it follows
> no one else does either; and, if no one knows what we are going to do,
> well then, why is someone so determined to prevent us from doing it?"
>
> In Kēlen:
>
> sele jakīña ien sele jatēla ien sema jakīña ien ñi lēim mōrre  
> mo makēñ ī tōkēñ;
>
> lerāe; tōkēñ; tō wā selte jatēla ien ñalta jāo tō-jāo wā  
> sema mo mawae
> ī; tō wā sema jatēla ien rēha ñalta jāo tō sema jakesāo mo  
> manahan ien
> ñi lēim mapāsre jē rēha ñalta jāo tōkēñ;
>
> An interlinear, more or less:
>
> to.1SG wish REL to.1SG knowledge REL to.3SG wish REL do 1PC stopped to
> who also why;
>
> yes; why; because not to.1PC knowledge REL 1PC.do that therefore not
> to.3SG to nobody also; because not to.3SG knowledge REL FUT 1PC.do
> that why to.3SG eager to someone REL do 1PC prevented from FUT 1PC.do
> that why?
>
> [SG = singular, PC = paucal, REL = relative pronoun, FUT = future  
> tense marker]
>
> How would you say this in your conlang? Bonus points for convoluted
> sentence structure of course.
>
> -S
> -- 
> Sylvia Sotomayor
>
> The sooner I fall behind the more time I have to catch up.

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