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CONLANG  April 2011, Week 5

CONLANG April 2011, Week 5

Subject:

Re: On Cultural Differences in Color

From:

Matthew Turnbull <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 29 Apr 2011 18:34:57 -0500

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Just to nitpick, this isn't a completly accurate description of how eyes
work.
Human eyes are also a very interessting special case too!

Vertebrates before mammals had five diffrent kinds of pigment, so five
different cells. Each cell detects light differently, four of them were
diffrent "colours" and one just detected any kind of light, but was much
more sensetive than the coloured cells. These four colours were
approximately probably ultravioletish, greenish, bluish, and redish. By
combining and contrasting different inputs from different cells you can make
out alot of colours!
Interesstinly enough this means that birds eyes are the ancestral condition,
and the human eyes are degenerate from that state.

Mammals went through a phase where such awesome colour vision just wasn't
useful, the fossil record would seem to suggest it was becasue early mammals
were by and far noturnal creatures, and genetic drift (the random shifting
of sequences not under selection) wrecked our ablility to see colour, and
mammals were left with only two pigments, which were probably UV and
greenish yellow. Then there was a gene duplication in the Catarhines (the
group humans belong to in Primates) of the gene for the greenish pigment. In
humans, and some other primates, but moslty just us, the two copies no
longer code for the same colour pigment, one makes a yellowish green and the
other makes a more true green, the third colour is still a bluey purple.
Interesstingly enough, our eyes can detect some UV light with the purple
pigment, but it's blocked out by our lens, so you can only see it,
sometimes, if you've had them removed during cataracts surgery, the plastic
replacement no longer blocks out UV light.

And that's the story of how mammals lost colour vision, and how humans kind
of got it back. The reason for the improvement staying is speculated to be
that it helps frugivorous primates tell if the fruit is ripe or not, and
allows us to see it more easily, it also lets us know what colour the leaves
are.

Evolution of colour vision in mammals. G. Jacobs, Phil. Trans. R. Soc.
B(2009) 364,2957-2967
Evolution of vertebrate rod and cone phototransduction genes. D. Larhammar,
K.Nordström & T. Larsson, Phil. Trans. R. Soc. B(2009) 364, 2867-2880


On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Paul Schleitwiler, FCM <
[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> FWIW The underlying mechanism for color perception is not psychological nor
> linguistic. Normal human eyes have three sets of sensors in the retina, for
> light near the red end of the spectrum, light near the blue end and for the
> value of light. We do not see yellow. Our brains process the amount of reds
> and blues and total value. High value and approximately equal amounts of
> red
> and blue are perceived as yellow. Low value and equal reds and values are
> purple/violet.
> Likewise, we perceive the rest of the spectrum.
> Language naming color distinctions is subject to the "value for me" test.
> If
> more names aid communication about color, more names are coined and used.
> One name in one language might cover several colors distinguished in
> another. But first language speakers of the first language can easily learn
> the other language's terms and use them correctly.
> Also, color terms are subject to the same "evolution" or drift in meaning
> as
> other words. So the same word today might mean something else than when it
> was first recorded.
>
> BTW, Homer's description of the sea is "wine-dark" not "wine-colored".
>
> As for conlangs, what if your native speakers sense light differently from
> normal human? Birds, for example, can distinguish colors which are alike to
> our more "primitive" eyes but detectable to their "superior" equipment.
>

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