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CONLANG  May 2011, Week 5

CONLANG May 2011, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Glossopoeia vs. reconstruction

From:

Jörg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 30 May 2011 15:52:37 +0200

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Hallo conlangers!

On Sunday 29 May 2011 22:50:09, And Rosta wrote:

> Jrg Rhiemeier, On 26/05/2011 18:07:
> [...]
> > If the preference of the author is to be logical, a personal
> > language may simultaneously be a loglang.  (I don't think,
> > though, that it is a good idea to have a language be a loglang
> > and a fictional human natlang.  Human ethnic languages tend
> > not to be loglangs, to put it politely.)
> 
> For a language to be a loglang and a fictional human natlang might be an
> implausible idea, in that the fictional world might be unnaturalistic, but
> I wouldn't agree that it is "not a good idea". It might be a
> utopian/eutopian idea, and eutopian fiction has its virtues.

I explicitly spoke of "fictional human *natlangs*".  There is
nothing wrong with a fictional society which has adopted a
loglang as their community language (for instance, it has been
commented that the Vulcans from Star Trek could be expected
to speak a loglang) - but that's still not a fictional natlang.

And eutopian ideal societies may appeal to you, but to me they
don't appeal at all - *all* the eutopian ideal societies I have
seen so far are totalitarian.  Bah.
 
> Livagian (my conlang) is a clearer example than Liva of a conlang that is a
> loglang and a fictional natlangoid. I say 'natlangoid', because in Livagia
> it is the standard language used in writing and for formal purposes, but
> is learnt through education rather than natively; but it is not known to
> be a conlang, though at minimum one suspects it of having been
> artificially regularized. Extrafictionally, it has always been the product
> of my attempt to create the best possible language -- a language that does
> best what language is for; but I found, some time in the 90s, that one
> cannot create a lexicon that is not embedded in some culture or other (--
> a point that seems tritely obvious, in hindsight!), and hence, like
> Tolkien, I was moved to create a fictional world for Livagian. Livagia,
> like Livagian, is kind of eutopian: presupposing that societies can be
> ranked on a scale of enlightenmant/endarkenment, with, say, Scandinavian
> countries currently furthest towards the Englighte ned end of the scale in
> the Real World, Livagia is located a bit further still towards
> Englightened.

I haven't yet seen your fabulous language.  You talk about it
all the time, but have never shown us a grammar of it.  All I
have ever seen of it are two relay texts - which do not even
look as if they were from the same language.  Nor do I know
anything about Livagian society.

--
... brought to you by the Weeping Elf
http://www.joerg-rhiemeier.de/Conlang/index.html
"Bsel asa m, a m atha cvanthal a cvanth atha mel." - SiM 1:1

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