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CONLANG  May 2011, Week 5

CONLANG May 2011, Week 5

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Re: Glossopoeia vs. reconstruction

From:

And Rosta <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 29 May 2011 21:50:09 +0100

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Jörg Rhiemeier, On 26/05/2011 18:07:
> On Thursday 26 May 2011 16:17:46, R A Brown wrote:
>>> Claudio himself writes about Liva simultaneously being
>>> an engelang and a fictional language,
>>
>> "Liva is constructed mainly for fun: at first, it has not
>> any practical aim. It can be seen as an experiment, trying
>> to satisfy both the requirements of logic and the aesthetic
>> preferences of its author"
>>
>> a loglan and an artlang - Why not? Liva is one of the
>> conlangs I very much like.
>
> If the preference of the author is to be logical, a personal
> language may simultaneously be a loglang.  (I don't think,
> though, that it is a good idea to have a language be a loglang
> and a fictional human natlang.  Human ethnic languages tend
> not to be loglangs, to put it politely.)

For a language to be a loglang and a fictional human natlang might be an implausible idea, in that the fictional world might be unnaturalistic, but I wouldn't agree that it is "not a good idea". It might be a utopian/eutopian idea, and eutopian fiction has its virtues.

Livagian (my conlang) is a clearer example than Liva of a conlang that is a loglang and a fictional natlangoid. I say 'natlangoid', because in Livagia it is the standard language used in writing and for formal purposes, but is learnt through education rather than natively; but it is not known to be a conlang, though at minimum one suspects it of having been artificially regularized. Extrafictionally, it has always been the product of my attempt to create the best possible language -- a language that does best what language is for; but I found, some time in the 90s, that one cannot create a lexicon that is not embedded in some culture or other (-- a point that seems tritely obvious, in hindsight!), and hence, like Tolkien, I was moved to create a fictional world for Livagian. Livagia, like Livagian, is kind of eutopian: presupposing that societies can be ranked on a scale of enlightenmant/endarkenment, with, say, Scandinavian countries currently furthest towards the Englighte
ned end of the scale in the Real World, Livagia is located a bit further still towards Englightened.

--And.

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