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CONLANG  June 2011, Week 4

CONLANG June 2011, Week 4

Subject:

Re: conscript fontification query

From:

Patrick Dunn <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:59:57 -0500

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On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Michael Everson <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> On 25 Jun 2011, at 21:46, Patrick Dunn wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Michael Everson <[log in to unmask]
> >wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Assignment for the student of writing systems: explain and defend the
> reasons why "an unbroken line of text" could be a key feature of any writing
> system. Explore historical, ergonomic, and technical considerations.
> >
> > Short answer:  Why the hell not?
>
> Demerit. Flippant, and if that were sufficient, then why don't we see any
> such writing systems surviving?
>

Wow, I'm the bad kid.  I should wear a leather jacket and smoke cigarettes
out in the parking lot.


>
> > As far as computers or mechanical typewriters go, they might very well
> encourage boustrophedon.
>
> Unlikely for the latter, since glyphs are typically reversed when the
> directionality reverses, and that would require at least more complicated
> typewriters than the ones we (or some of us) grew up with.
>

Good point.


>
> But there are no market pressures to create boustrophedon typewriters
> because boustrophedon writing has always been selected for extinction in
> every writing system that tried it.
>

Selected for?  Are you suggesting that evolutionary pressures influence
writing systems?  Language, sure: that's biological.  But writing is purely
cultural.



>
>
> > Obviously it could be read: people weren't doing it for the cardio.
>
> For the what?
>

A bon mot.  For the cardiovascular exercise.


>
> > Moreover, it obviously *can* be read.
>
> Can it be quickly skimmed for content? I doubt it.
>

I don't see why it couldn't?  If Chinese can be skimmed for content, why not
a slightly more complex alphabet?


> > And I personally, finding some college classes a bit less than
> challenging, made it a game to write some of my notes boustrophedon.  I can
> still read them.
>
> As quickly and easily as your other notes? Did you use glyph reversal?
>

I could read it as quickly, yes.  But that isn't evidence of anything: at
the time my handwriting was atrocious when writing unidirectionally.  I
could only read any of my writing fairly slowly.  And yes, I did use glyph
reversal.  It took a trivial amount of practice, quite a bit easier than
learning T-line or, as I did this year, fixing my handwriting by adopting a
new script.  I could not write it quite as quickly, but I suspect that was a
function of lack of practice.

I was actually surprised at how difficult I did NOT find the entire thing.


>
> > The only thing that might prevent a purely cursive boustrophedon is the
> tool requiring lifting (as for dipping or recharging or sharpening).  That
> strikes me as a trivial impediment, and if you've ever seen anyone write in
> a Devanagari or Arabic script at speed, clearly it's still possible to join
> up a lot of cursive even with required pauses in the writing stream.
>
> Training in writing everything in two directions with glyph reversals would
> be a lot of training indeed. And it would lead to strongly differing
> ductuses for each direction, which would lead to letter deformations... all
> unnecessary, and all unknown in modern writing systems because people don't
> like boustrophedon writing.
>
> > Ultimately, I go back to my previous response: why the hell not?
>
> Because it's not practical.
>

I know you're a world-renowned expert and so forth, but . . . have you
*seen* Japanese?  Lack of practicality is clearly not a death sentence for a
writing system.  A writing system involving two syllabaries on top of a
logographic system, each of the characters of which can be read in several
different ways depending on context?  Practical enough to survive.  A
writing system carved into mountains using space-based lasers . . . probably
not practical enough to survive.  There's a lot of room between those two
extremes.

Why did boustrophedon writing not survive?  Probably a wide range of
factors, mostly historical, none of them evolutionary, and likely none of
them inevitable.


>
> > No doubt that will not satisfy the terms of the assignment, but thank
> God, I already have my goddamned Ph.D. so now I only do imperiously
> delivered assignments for the fun of it.
>
> Indeed.
>

In fact, we're all kind of doing this for fun.  Which might be worth keeping
in mind.
-- 
I have stretched ropes from steeple to steeple; garlands from window to
window; golden chains from star to star, and I dance.  --Arthur Rimbaud

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