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CONLANG  June 2011, Week 4

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Subject:

Re: Heading/going X (was: Hello and a question)

From:

Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 28 Jun 2011 09:24:14 -0700

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--- On Mon, 6/27/11, Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

(snipalot)
Moi--
 We do have
> the idea
> > of "mountain man", which is similar, but no "go..."
> > expression for that.
> 
> Well, there's a blog for that:
> 
> http://www.myspace.com/mysillydrama/blog/441720822

Well whaddayaknow. 
> 
> > As to the larger question: what is the status of the
> > noun/adjective in "going X" or "heading X"
> expressions, to
> > me it's clear that at least with some verbs of motion
> which
> > ordinarily take a prep.phrase indicating the
> direction
> > (hence, adverbial), in some cases the prep. can be
> deleted,
> > leaving the noun (hence it becomes "adverbial"). And
> it
> > seems to me that you can't put just any noun in the
> frame
> > "go..." or "head..."
> 
> Me I'm perfectly happy with calling them adverbs. They do
> what other
> well known adverbs do in the same position. It all comes
> down to English's
> ability to adverb nouns and adjectives without much ado. I
> know -- a
> prescriptivist's nightmare! So I have no problem with
> calling it a straight
> up adverb, or even wishywashying a little and calling it an
> adverbial
> something or other.

Glad to see someone agrees with me........
> 
............
> 
> Perhaps we "can't" put just any noun in there cos we
> haven't tried to?
> 
> If Aussie chicks can go bush and we can go mountain man,
> perhaps it's just
> a matter of trying out some other way to head?

True enough; I just thought of "go potty" and "go beddy-bye" :-)))
..............
> > But we also have a number of expressions where
> > "go" means something more like "become", as in "go
> > wild/crazy/ballistic/AWOL/missing". Again I suspect
> there's
> > a limited number of adjectives that can be used
> there.
> 
> Possibly. Though again, is this because of some sensible
> limitation or
> simply because no one's thought of using a different
> adjective there?

As Don Quijote often said, "In this marvellous world, dear Sancho, anything is possible". But all the ones I could think of were at least slightly pejorative.

> > Although when our group of students from Java went on
> a
> > field trip to Bali, as we were leaving, the director
> had the
> > bus stop near the main street of Denpasar and he
> called out
> > "Siapa mau shopping lagi?" = who wants (to do,go)
> shopping
> > some more?, and everyone decamped from the bus
> > ;-))))   But everyone was fluent in English,
> > and I don't think he could have used the Indo. word
> > 'belanja' for 'shopping'.........
> 
> Is this related to Indonesian at all? 

Do you mean the word "belanja"? It's certainly a part of the vocab., but it's said to be < Persian, no doubt via some Indian language.

I'm afraid I don't
> much at all about
> languages of that area of the world :( except that whenever
> I look in an
> Indonesian dictionary, I find all kinds of words I know
> simply because of
> their relationship to Philippine languages. 

Hardly surprising. A lot of the proto-sounds don't change at all between Malay/Indo. and the main PI languages like Tag-- main differences involve *@ and some of the Ml. rhotics (which show up variously as /r,l/ and /g/ in the PI.
> 
> Padraic
>

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