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CONLANG  June 2011, Week 4

CONLANG June 2011, Week 4

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Re: cuneiform (was: Assyrian dictionary now free online (UChicago))

From:

Philip Newton <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 25 Jun 2011 13:24:53 +0200

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On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 19:22, Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 18:16:13 +0200, Iuhan Culmærija <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>>I always thought that in Egyptian Heiroglyphs and Chinese, each glyph
>>represented a word in the language, I hadn't realised that some symbols were
>>purely functional and non-spoken.
>
> For Chinese you're right, on the usual level: one square glyph means one
> syllable, no exceptions.  But very many glyphs are internally assembled from
> a semantic and a phonetic component, and the semantic components are a lot
> like cuneiform determinatives.

And for Chinese, all symbols are spoken.

Also, for Chinese - and much more so in the case of Modern Standard
Mandarin -, words can consist of more than one syllable.

Two classical cases are 蜘蛛 "spider" and 珊瑚 "coral": in normal texts,
those two characters always occurs together (i.e. if you find 蜘 in a
text, then there will always be a 蛛 after it, etc.), so as I
understand it, those words have probably been bisyllabic for a long
time. (Of course, since Chinese linguists like to assign a meaning to
every character, the individual characters 蜘 and 蛛 have also been
assigned meanings: each is said to mean "spider". But as I understand
it, that doesn't represent reality particularly accurately.)

Then with Mandarin, lots more bisyllabic words arose, due to sound
changes creating more homophones; sometimes by combining words with
similar meanings into a new word (e.g. 身体 "body" from 身 "body" + 体
"body"), sometimes by adding a nearly-meaningless noun marker (e.g. 石頭
"stone" from 石 "stone" + 頭, which means "head" by itself, or 獅子 "lion"
from 獅 "lion" + 子, which means "child" by itself).

Cheers,
Philip
-- 
Philip Newton <[log in to unmask]>

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