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Re: Reversal of Direction within a Line was (re: conscript fontification query)

From:

And Rosta <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 4 Jul 2011 15:20:02 +0100

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Dan Sulani, On 03/07/2011 16:28:
> Hi all!
> I used to post about my conlang, rtemmu, quite a while ago
> and have been lurking since then. (Sorry, no website. I'm afraid that
> checking the archives will have to suffice for info on my conlang.)

Are you a child psychologist or clinical psychologist or something similar? (I'm wondering if I'm remembering the right person.)
  
> Anyhow, this thread about directionality of writing/reading has
> intrigued me enough to delurk.
> Re the discussion about direction of reading/writing changing in
> various ways within a text, I would like to add that in modern Hebrew,
> although prose is written and read from right to left, numbers are *written*
> and *read* from left to right! Which means that in a single line of text,
> one may encounter multiple direction reversals!
> It might sound confusing, but people here in Israel are used to it. What
> is very annoying to me personally, is the implementation of this direction
> reversal in computer programs such as word-processors.
> To correct or change a number (when typing in Hebrew)
> is more frustrating than using whiteout tapes on an old manual typewriter

In MS Word 2003 (which, sadly, was the last usable version of the only Microsoft product I have any affection for), I find that even when I've marked a paragraph as being in Hebrew in R-to-L, non-Hebrew characters (or at least Latin ones) still get magically sequenced L-to-R. That must be good for you, but is a headache for con-scripters who would like to be able to reverse the direction of text just by toggling between R-to-L and L-to-R or even between Hebrew and English.

> (I don't just remember typewriters,
> I remember typing draft after draft after draft ... well you
> get the idea! And *that* was just the first page! :-P )

Memories of literally cutting, with real scissors, and pasting, with real glue, and retyping, for iteration after iteration, are almost too painful to recall!
  
> I do have a question about boustrophedon: how would a lang using it deal
> with numbers?
> How would it deal with math? How would it deal with simple sums such as one
> might find in a shopping list or account of expenditures?

Speaking for Livagian, numbers that are part of the syntactic structure of a sentence are written like any other words -- <one, two, three> -- rather than with numeral logographs. But Livagian has a mechanism (like Lojban's "zoi") for bracketing objects whose internal structure is invisible to the enclosing sentence, and if such an object were integrated into the middle of a line of Livagian, the directions of the enclosing sentence and of the emnedded object would be independent of each other. Currently these embedded objects simply refer to themselves, so if I wanted to use numerals logographically, I'd have to say something like "the number represented by <12345>".

--And.

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